Dyno Day at Classic 2/28

[tranman329]

Anyone getting the car dynoed this weekend at classic?

[Blake]

IMHO, I think their dyno is junk. Flame suit on.

[bfnnrgn]

If Ennis is open go there instead. Dyno's are great and all, but the real story is told at the dragstrip.

[Mike CLK Black]

If Ennis is open go there instead. Dyno's are great and all, but the real story is told at the dragstrip.

High of 60 according to accuweather.com.
Should be good for 11.6's with an SL65!

[Qship5]

+1 on the drag strip. Dynos are good tuning aids, but the real truth is what happens when the rubber meets the road. Maybe we need to have the AMG caravan make the trek.

[BlackSheep]

They owe me a free dyno pull over there.. I may take advantage of that and then go to Ennis. Who else is going to Ennis?

[sheesnaz]

I'm on for Ennis. Hoping for some good DA's

[NDeedOne]

+1 on the drag strip. Dynos are good tuning aids, but the real truth is what happens when the rubber meets the road. Maybe we need to have the AMG caravan make the trek.

When the rubber meets the road, it turns into smoke.... :burnout:

Let me know what's going on. I have a few friend running in the 24 Hours of LeMons in Houston this weekend so, I might make a trip out there. Still haven't decided. ( http://www.24hoursoflemons.com/events/ ) <--- good stuff!!!! Funny:laugh:

Sat 10AMish Starbucks
Either dyno at Classic or 1/4 mile Ennis? Woo Hoo!!!

[bfnnrgn]

I'm going to try to make Ennis, but it's not really up to me.

[Qship5]

Let's hope Ewing gets you back in business by then.:thumbsup2:

[Qship5]

They owe me a free dyno pull over there.. I may take advantage of that and then go to Ennis. Who else is going to Ennis?

I'm going to try to make it to Ennis.

[BlackSheep]

IMHO, I think their dyno is junk. Flame suit on.

Their Dyno SUCKS!!!!

[Artic_07]

No comment...
(I Work here)

[Artic_07]

No comment
I work here....
What time is everyone going to Ennis...
My son would love that!!!!!

[Blake]

Their Dyno SUCKS!!!!

Let me guess...you went to their dyno this morning and now you feel cheated? I saw the thread you posted about heading to the dyno.

[hp99hp]

what is it about their dyno that makes you guys feel cheated? the numbers are all relative...DD dynos are one of the most conservative. Its best if you have run diff runs with diff setups.

[Mr. Hollywood]

If Ennis is open go there instead. Dyno's are great and all, but the real story is told at the dragstrip.

Windy and a high temp of 56....they may cancel it again this weekend.

[TiptronicSoldier]

Their Dyno SUCKS!!!!

Its an ego beater thats for sure but I still continue to use it!:bawling::bawling::bawling::bawling:

[Blake]

Dynapack Chassis Dyno or Mustang Dyno FTW

[Mr. Hollywood]

How high does this dyno go? Isn't this the one that is mph limited?

[BlackSheep]

How high does this dyno go? Isn't this the one that is mph limited?

Yes, it only pulls to 140mph then goes flat line.. So like me you think a 4th gear pull is what you should be pulling in at a 1:1 ratio.. Like every dyno in the world.. And I get my graph back and it flat lines at 5,400rpm @ 439hp... My car pulls to 7,000.. And the set up takes FOREVER!!!!! You can do 3 times as many pulls on a dynojet from a set up stand point.. and for comparable reasons, you just made a pull on a dyno that nobody else uses?!?!:dontknow:

My tuner just put a dynojet in his shop this week.. 2 big flat screens on the wall for everybody to see the pull. He's in Lewisville, He will be having a dyno day soon.. $40 a head, food drinks.. I'll keep yall posted.

[TiptronicSoldier]

Yes, it only pulls to 140mph then goes flat line.. So like me you think a 4th gear pull is what you should be pulling in at a 1:1 ratio.. Like every dyno in the world.. And I get my graph back and it flat lines at 5,400rpm @ 439hp... My car pulls to 7,000.. And the set up takes FOREVER!!!!! You can do 3 times as many pulls on a dynojet from a set up stand point.. and for comparable reasons, you just made a pull on a dyno that nobody else uses?!?!:dontknow:

My tuner just put a dynojet in his shop this week.. 2 big flat screens on the wall for everybody to see the pull. He's in Lewisville, He will be having a dyno day soon.. $40 a head, food drinks.. I'll keep yall posted.

Thats a deal right there.

[Crash]

Who is your tuner?

[BlackSheep]

adm performance in lewisville..

[Crash]

I was scared for a minute you were taking it to HPP.

[Louis]

Mine goes to 200....:dontknow::D

What brand is theirs? If it takes that long, its probably a great part throttle tuning tool, but not a great power producing machine....

[TiptronicSoldier]

Mine goes to 200....:dontknow::D

What brand is theirs? If it takes that long, its probably a great part throttle tuning tool, but not a great power producing machine....

Dyno Dynamics

[Louis]

excellent tuning tool, but its hard to beat a Dynojet for pure numbers, consistency, and repeatability. I will probably add some form of chassis eddy current like that soon.

[RaceMX-M3]

After many dynos on every brand here's my 2c's. Dynojet consistently shows higher whp than any other and it's no mystery why Dynojet is the "tuner's" choice. We've seen at least 100 stock cars on the Dyno Dynamics and the whp is consistently the closest to manufacturer's advertised power. fwiw. Dyno's are a tuning tool and you will get the best feedback from runs done on the same day. Beyond that dyno comparisons tend to be fairly hit or miss.

[Qship5]

Windy and a high temp of 56....they may cancel it again this weekend.
We need this wind to die down....

[NDeedOne]

tomorrow is the day... have we decided if we are going to ennis? i am not going to H-town. Let me know.

[bfnnrgn]

tomorrow is the day... have we decided if we are going to ennis? i am not going to H-town. Let me know.

Whatever you all decide to do I won't be able to make it. :mad:

[Mike CLK Black]

Whatever you all decide to do I won't be able to make it. :mad:

Sorry to hear that.
What's their story this week?

[NDeedOne]

Whatever you all decide to do I won't be able to make it. :mad:

Bummer.... :thumpdown:

[tranman329]

Got my dyno today and my best pull was 418 whp. I have an 06 M5 with charcoal delete, rpi scoops, bmc filters, block off plates, and rpi pulley. I was able to see Mark's CTS-V and it put up an impressive number. Hopefully he will chime in.

[Fubar]

yep... 454hp / 451tq

I imagine it would be more like 500 / 500 on a dynojet. What is more interesting is the "test" we ran later but that is a story for Darren to tell.

[BlackSheep]

yep... 454hp / 451tq

I imagine it would be more like 500 / 500 on a dynojet. What is more interesting is the "test" we ran later but that is a story for Darren to tell.

Nice #'s!!! What are your plans for mods? Pulley & tune soon?

[Fubar]

Nice #'s!!! What are your plans for mods? Pulley & tune soon?


Looks like the cheap and easy way to get another 100hp

[BlackSheep]

Looks like the cheap and easy way to get another 100hp

Yup.. I would expect 550+ rwhp with just a tune and pulley. Maybe close to 600 with headers and exhaust.. That thing has crazy potential.. Enjoy!

[tranman329]

yep... 454hp / 451tq

I imagine it would be more like 500 / 500 on a dynojet. What is more interesting is the "test" we ran later but that is a story for Darren to tell.

Darren, what happen?

[NDeedOne]

Darren, what happen?

^^^^^^ +1 :dontknow:^^^^^^^

[Blake]

Uh oh, CTS-V pwn the stroker? :hmmmm2:

[BlackSheep]

Uh oh, CTS-V pwn the stroker? :hmmmm2:

:confused: let's hear it..

[Blake]

:confused: let's hear it..

Well maybe my logic is wrong...but if they were both there playing around with the dyno earlier then there was a "test" afterwards (which usually means a trip into Mexico), maybe there were some interesting results. I guess we'll have to wait and see :)

[Fubar]

*giggle*

[NDeedOne]

yep... 454hp / 451tq

I imagine it would be more like 500 / 500 on a dynojet. What is more interesting is the "test" we ran later but that is a story for Darren to tell.

so.... is it for darren to tell cuz he lost or he won? hmmmmm???

While we are waiting for that story. What happend with the stang and the vette earlier today? results please.....

edit: I found the answer on a different thread - "the vette"

[BlackSheep]

so.... is it for darren to tell cuz he lost or he won? hmmmmm???

While we are waiting for that story. What happend with the stang and the vette earlier today? results please.....

edit: I found the answer on a different thread - "the vette"

The Video is in the American Car Section... :bandit:

[BlackSheep]

I would like to see Darren's graph and Marks graph ontop of each other.. Would be interesting to see how completely different the delivery of power is..

[RaceMX-M3]

yep... 454hp / 451tq

I imagine it would be more like 500 / 500 on a dynojet. What is more interesting is the "test" we ran later but that is a story for Darren to tell.

I doubt Darren will admit what really happened, you should just go ahead tell everyone how fast your pimp ride is.

[BlackSheep]

Racing is racing... There is always somebody faster... Spill the beans already!!

[BlackSheep]

If I was Mark... I would put a pulley on it, tune it and drop a K&N replacement filter in it and not say a word about it!! Take no prisoners!! Muahhhhahahahhahahahahah!!!!

[RaceMX-M3]

Damn, I'd be pissed if a Cadillac beat me. :hahaha:

[Qship5]

Impressive numbers to say the least Mark! I can't seem to find that video of you racing Darren.:questionmark:

[Fubar]

It was a last minute idea so nobody had a camera. We decided to do it after we saw the number from both of our cars on the dyno.:D

[BlackSheep]

I always thought German horses were bigger....

[BlackSheep]

It was a last minute idea so nobody had a camera. We decided to do it after we saw the number from both of our cars on the dyno.:D

And...............

[Fubar]

Alright if Darren isn't going to explain, I'll give you guys the news. Here is what happened:

I go to Classic to see who is up there and bull**** with the crew a little but the place is basically empty. I wasn't going to run the Caddy because it is still in it's 5000 mile break-in period (bull****). However, sense no one is in line for the Dyno and I have 2000 miles on it I figured, wtf? The Caddy pulls 3 times 454,445 451 with tq at 450 each time. Cool, I'm happy, especially on Classc's Dyno, which always reads low.

Darren comes in and says he isn't going to run because they don't have adequate cooling fans set-up. :rolleyes: But he changed his mind also. This is where things get interesting. His car only made 456 on the Dyno. Darren claims it is because NA cars need to be fed air while FI cars will suck in all the air they need. hmmm, we both feel a "test" of that theory is needed.

Off we go to Mexico...

1) From a dig with Q there for good looks. Me and Darren spin like crazy and Q pulls out in the lead.

2) 40 roll, huge transmission lag for me (I feel like a lost at least a cars length for that) but the Dinan M5 still pulls another 2 car lenths on the CTS. Q got shut down by a lane that ended (I'm glad you were looking down the road a good clip Q :thumbsup2:)

3) 3 honks, I floor it (same problem with the transmission; lose one solid car lengh) but the Dinan still pulls out another 2 cars on me. Same results 40 - 120ish. Oh and Q pulled both of us in this "test"... congrats Q.

So, hypothesis tested, a NA car needs airflow to preform properly on any Dyno. That means any NA car that has tested at Classic can start adding 150 hp to whatever number they gave you. :laugh:

Ready for the **** talk? Pulley/tune (and some work on launching an Automatic), I'll own that Stroked M5.

[tranman329]

I can't wait to see the results after you mod your car mark.

[Qship5]

Alright if Darren isn't going to explain, I'll give you guys the news. Here is what happened:

I go to Classic to see who is up there and bull**** with the crew a little but the place is basically empty. I wasn't going to run the Caddy because it is still in it's 5000 mile break-in period (bull****). However, sense no one is in line for the Dyno and I have 2000 miles on it I figured, wtf? The Caddy pulls 3 times 454,445 451 with tq at 450 each time. Cool, I'm happy, especially on Classc's Dyno, which always reads low.

Darren comes in and says he isn't going to run because they don't have adequate cooling fans set-up. :rolleyes: But he changed his mind also. This is where things get interesting. His car only made 456 on the Dyno. Darren claims it is because NA cars need to be fed air while FI cars will suck in all the air they need. hmmm, we both feel a "test" of that theory is needed.

Off we go to Mexico...

1) From a dig with Q there for good looks. Me and Darren spin like crazy and Q pulls out in the lead.

2) 40 roll, huge transmission lag for me (I feel like a lost at least a cars length for that) but the Dinan M5 still pulls another 2 car lenths on the CTS. Q got shut down by a lane that ended (I'm glad you were looking down the road a good clip Q :thumbsup2:)

3) 3 honks, I floor it (same problem with the transmission; lose one solid car lengh) but the Dinan still pulls out another 2 cars on me. Same results 40 - 120ish. Oh and Q pulled both of us in this "test"... congrats Q.

So, hypothesis tested, a NA car needs airflow to preform properly on any Dyno. That means any NA car that has tested at Classic can start adding 150 hp to whatever number they gave you. :laugh:

Ready for the **** talk? Pulley/tune (and some work on launching an Automatic), I'll own that Stroked M5.

That's an impressive showing by the V in stock form.:thumbsup2:

It also sounds like Q is learning how to best launch his car.

[BlackSheep]

Mark, did you manually drop it down or let it downshift by it's self when you ran? That tranny is amazing when it is tuned.. Very sluggish shifts when it is stock..

[TiptronicSoldier]

yep... 454hp / 451tq

I imagine it would be more like 500 / 500 on a dynojet. What is more interesting is the "test" we ran later but that is a story for Darren to tell.

yikes!!!! 454hp on Classic's Dyno stock???:dontknow::dontknow:

Thats freakin nuts, makes me feel great about my car doing 438 with bolt ons....

[BlackSheep]

yikes!!!! 454hp on Classic's Dyno stock???:dontknow::dontknow:

Thats freakin nuts, makes me feel great about my car doing 438 with bolt ons....


Whaaaat?? Ouch!! I would have dinan chained up in my garage untill he finished working on my car to make the #'s they promised... and if they can't give what's promised go for the jugular..

[Fubar]

Mark, did you manually drop it down or let it downshift by it's self when you ran? That tranny is amazing when it is tuned.. Very sluggish shifts when it is stock..

I did nothing... three honks and I floored it.

[BlackSheep]

I did nothing... three honks and I floored it.

Drop that puppy into 2nd and do a 50 punch, then manually shift it..
If you just hit it from drive, it has to downshift 4 gears, then goes.. You guys should try it again.:thumbsup2:

[TiptronicSoldier]

Whaaaat?? Ouch!! I would have dinan chained up in my garage untill he finished working on my car to make the #'s they promised... and if they can't give what's promised go for the jugular..

We all need to run on a dynojet one day with a better N/A setup

[darren_dallas]

haRk3o2Yd2o

[TiptronicSoldier]

haRk3o2Yd2o

hahaha, awesome vid darren !!!:D:thumbsup2:

[Fubar]

hmmm, next time we are on tape... give me the heads up.

[Bruce954]

hmmm, next time we are on tape... give me the heads up.

seems like a reasonable request to say the least :dontknow:

[darren_dallas]

hmmm, next time we are on tape... give me the heads up.

It was recorded from my phone and at the last minute for the board. I thought you could see my camera phone clearly in the window.

[TiptronicSoldier]

hmmm, next time we are on tape... give me the heads up.

You got caught on candid camera

[Fubar]

You got caught on candid camera

Busted.

[RaceMX-M3]

You can't go anywhere without getting caught on camera. :ahhhhh:

[Qship5]

Fubar,

The guys on the M5board are having a field day with this video. I think it's time to increase the boost on this caddy and give them a rematch that will quiet them down.

Qship

[Qship5]

Drop that puppy into 2nd and do a 50 punch, then manually shift it..
If you just hit it from drive, it has to downshift 4 gears, then goes.. You guys should try it again.:thumbsup2:

Mark,

I agree completely on this one. I have the same issue with the C63. If I just floor it it needs to drop several gears and the initial lag gives the SMG cars a huge edge. Being in the right gear when you nail it yields much better results.

[Fubar]

Fubar,

The guys on the M5board are having a field day with this video. I think it's time to increase the boost on this caddy and give them a rematch that will quiet them down.

Qship

That's why I wasn't excited about the video. I am still not launching the car good and I am sure the BMW boys think it was a fair comparison of the two cars. I want to race again before I change anything. Then we will do a pully/tune race.

Oh well, I would bet the farm that my 4 year old boy could out run a stock M5 in that thing.

[Fubar]

Drop a link on here to the M5 thread

[Qship5]

Ask and you shall receive... http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/e60-m5-e61-m5-touring-discussion/133718-2008-dinan-stroker-m5-versus-2009-cadillac-cts-v.html

BTW You will destoy a stock M5/M6 in that beast.

[Qship5]

When I raced the stock M5 with charcoal filters removed I was not launching well either and had to walk him after the initial lag. I've improved the launch now, but am still fine tuning it. It is very different in these auto trans cars.;)

[RaceMX-M3]

Nothing like a little freindly competition to spice things up a bit. :beer:

[Qship5]

Agreed RaceMX...competition is a good thing. I think that Fubar can make a minor investment ($10K) in the V and walk the stroker, but that's just my opinion.:bandit:

[Fubar]

Agreed RaceMX...competition is a good thing. I think that Fubar can make a minor investment ($10K) in the V and walk the stroker, but that's just my opinion.:bandit:

Pulley + Tune + Headers + Cat back = $3,500

Welcome to America.

[Qship5]

Pulley + Tune + Headers + Cat back = $3,500

Welcome to America.
I hear that!

[Fubar]

It is very different in these auto trans cars.;)

Agreed, I am told there are two basic techniques:

1) is to use the peddle shifter and then switch to auto after it gets rolling.

2) hold one foot on the brake (like brake boosting) to get the transmission to drop the gears.

then I guess there is always the "hit it on the second honk" method. :thumbsup2:

[RaceMX-M3]

Agreed, I am told there are two basic techniques:

1) is to use the peddle shifter and then switch to auto after it gets rolling.

2) hold one foot on the brake (like brake boosting) to get the transmission to drop the gears.

then I guess there is always the "hit it on the second honk" method. :thumbsup2:

so that's how you keep beating me.. :eviltongue:

[Fubar]

so that's how you keep beating me.. :eviltongue:

At least you are finally ready to admit that I won.

[RaceMX-M3]

At least you are finally ready to admit that I won.

Uncle. Your stupid ******* Ford ***** ** **** has cost me so much ******* money I ******* give up ***********. :confused:

[Fubar]

lol... thanks man, that made me laugh this morning.

[Qship5]

Agreed, I am told there are two basic techniques:

1) is to use the peddle shifter and then switch to auto after it gets rolling.

2) hold one foot on the brake (like brake boosting) to get the transmission to drop the gears.

then I guess there is always the "hit it on the second honk" method. :thumbsup2:

That third method made me bust a gut.:laugh:

There is a "best gear selection" mode on mine that supposedly if I hold the shift lever or steering wheel downshift paddle for 2 seconds the trans will select the best gear for acceleration based on current speed and then auto shift after that. I need to mess around with that and figure out how it works.:burnout: