Pulled over and ticketed for using radar jammer

[Total Building]

Hey guys today I happened to be driving thru Irving Texas and a cop pulled me over.... I guess he shot me and my Passport Radar/Laser Shifter gave his radar detector a false reading. He told me he could throw me in jail and impound my car for interfering with a peace officer(police office) doing his job?

I thought these were legal....... HELP

[RaceMX-M3]

I bet this is the same guy that gave Chris the same ticket. Did you admit that you had a "laser jammer" on your car? I think they're marketed as a "parking sensor" and that's exactly what I'd say if this guy pulled me over. Laser jammers are legal, interfering with the duties of a police officer is not - this is what the guy is alleging. Chris was fighting the ticket but I don't know what the outcome was. PM Fubar, he has a guy for this.

[Total Building]

I did not admit to anything... He said what kind of radar do you have.... I pointed up to the Valentine One... Thats all i said. You need to get it removed he stated...

[Qship5]

It all boils down to what you want to do and how much do you want to make a point. The cop is an ass and you will win the court case, but it's going to cost you some $$$ to do so.

Personally I'd drag his ass to court and then flip him the bird after I won, but that's just me...:laugh:

[Total Building]

So what are you saying? You beat this?

[Qship5]

No, but what you own is perfectly legal. There are several good attorneys in town that will beat it. As Race-Mx stated, Fubar can give you the name of one of the best.

[RaceMX-M3]

I'm sure Mark will see this soon and chime in with the outcome of Chris' ticket, that is if it's been settled yet.

[Fubar]

There are several legal angles that you can take in dealing with the citation. A lot hinges on what you said to the officer. The cheap way to deal with it is to go ask for deferred adduction yourself. If you want to prove that you are not "interfering with the duties of an officer," you WILL spend more money, and you are not guaranteed a win. Lots of innocent people loose in court everyday.

Personally I would fight it and try to file a complaint against that officer. If it is the same cop he has a record of disobedience and might loose his job over the issue.

[TiptronicSoldier]

I talked myself out of ticket wednesday I was going 80 in a 60. I lucked out

[GTCole]

You never said you got a ticket. I would shut up and ignore him. I question his ability to prove anything at present, and radar detectors are legal in TX.

[Total Building]

So I got my pre-trial hearing Jan-19. Irving Courts...... Stay tuned!

[Fubar]

So I got my pre-trial hearing Jan-19. Irving Courts...... Stay tuned!

"mens rea" is a legal term you will need to know. It is required to prove that you are guilty of that particular crime. It means you had criminal intent. ie: you cannot be guilty of "interfering with the duties of an officer" unless you know you are doing it.

[RaceMX-M3]

Good luck with this, let us know how it turns out.

[UBR32]

Radar / Laser Detector - Legal except for commercial vehicles
Laser Jammer - Legal
Radar Jammer - Illegal

[snowball]

Radar / Laser Detector - Legal except for commercial vehicles
Laser Jammer - Legal
Radar Jammer - Illegal

The way they are abusing the law on laser jammers, it doesn't have anything to do with the actual jammer being legal or illegal. It has to do with whether or not you are impeding or obstructing an officer from doing his duties by using a laser jammer. scumbags!

[UBR32]

The way they are abusing the law on laser jammers, it doesn't have anything to do with the actual jammer being legal or illegal. It has to do with whether or not you are impeding or obstructing an officer from doing his duties by using a laser jammer. scumbags!

If you use one it is not obstructing the officer from pulling anyone else over :whistle: :D

[snowball]

If you use one it is not obstructing the officer from pulling anyone else over :whistle: :D

But, it up to you to prove it ----- :thumpdown: :mad:

[Fubar]

What is interesting is that the law (in Texas) for 'obstructing an officer' specifically states that it shall not apply to traffic situations such as flashing your head lights at oncoming traffic to alert them of the presence of an officer.

[snowball]

And they had trouble getting the mob too, so they used the IRS. One way or another the man is after you............

[RaceMX-M3]

And they had trouble getting the mob too, so they used the IRS. One way or another the man is after you............

If you all just stepped up and got a fast car you wouldn't have to deal with the man. :whistle:

[Invisibra_Norm]

If you all just stepped up and got a fast car you wouldn't have to deal with the man. :whistle:

Tha man :watching: You...

[snowball]

:hahaha:Tha man :watching: You...

And it won't be the last time either.......:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Total Building]

And the cop no showed! So back to court in March!

[RaceMX-M3]

And the cop no showed! So back to court in March!

I remember when this would have been dismissed for the cop not showing the first time.. no longer the case. I think they miss the first court date on purpose just to make fighting a ticket more inconvenient. :thumpdown: I think you are also entitled to a reschedule, ask your attorney.. maybe you can no show round 2 and make him show up twice.

[Invisibra_Norm]

Wow, I beat a ticket or 2 because of cop no-show... I'd have gone ballistic on that call. What happened to the right to a speedy trial?

[Fubar]

heh, speedy trial... that's is a running joke among Dallas County criminal defense attorneys. It means less than 3 or 4 years unless the county decides it should be longer. Good luck with that Supreme Court Appeal.

[snowball]

heh, speedy trial... that's is a running joke among Dallas County criminal defense attorneys. It means less than 3 or 4 years unless the county decides it should be longer. Good luck with that Supreme Court Appeal.

Ouch! Seems like that is bad for the bail bondsman, I think since bail bonds are at a fixed % :questionmark: :dontknow:

But, interest earning for the county.

:rolleyes:

[Total Building]

Yep! Went back and the ticket was dismissed!

[RaceMX-M3]

Yep! Went back and the ticket was dismissed!

Neil, details bro.. tell us what went down. :thumbsup2:

[CamZilla]

I don't work for irving...

but i can tell you...

that the FCC is the only person (or so i was taught when i was certified for radar...)
who can take enforcement action against someone who is using a laser/radar jammer

Whether or not that officer can charge/arrest you with obstruction is a stretch...

I know i wouldn't

whenever an officer goes to become lidar/radar certified he should be certified in visual estimation so if someone has a jammer they can just visually estimate speed and issue a citation on those numbers.

for example i can visually estimate + or - 3 MPH and i can testify to that in court.

hope it helps

[snowball]

I don't work for irving...

but i can tell you...

that the FCC is the only person (or so i was taught when i was certified for radar...)
who can take enforcement action against someone who is using a laser/radar jammer

Whether or not that officer can charge/arrest you with obstruction is a stretch...

I know i wouldn't

whenever an officer goes to become lidar/radar certified he should be certified in visual estimation so if someone has a jammer they can just visually estimate speed and issue a citation on those numbers.

for example i can visually estimate + or - 3 MPH and i can testify to that in court.

hope it helps

A DA explained it to me like this - they are not pressing charges on you for using a jammer Per Se. When you obstruct an officer from doing his duty, it doesn't matter whether you use an electronic piece of equipment, your body, or anything else - it is still obstructing an officer while doing his duties. :mad: and yes it is definitely stretching the law, but it hasn't been the first or will it be the last time for that. :rolleyes:

[DallasM5]

I don't work for irving...

but i can tell you...

that the FCC is the only person (or so i was taught when i was certified for radar...)
who can take enforcement action against someone who is using a laser/radar jammer

Whether or not that officer can charge/arrest you with obstruction is a stretch...

I know i wouldn't

whenever an officer goes to become lidar/radar certified he should be certified in visual estimation so if someone has a jammer they can just visually estimate speed and issue a citation on those numbers.

for example i can visually estimate + or - 3 MPH and i can testify to that in court.

hope it helps

so if i take a pencil and move it from point A to B, you can tell me how fast it moved +/- 3mph.

yea that claim is the most bs one ever, and i didnt make up the question above. my uncle who's an attorney asks officers that in court all the time, he has yet to find someone who is certified give him an answer.

[CamZilla]

so if i take a pencil and move it from point A to B, you can tell me how fast it moved +/- 3mph.

yea that claim is the most bs one ever, and i didnt make up the question above. my uncle who's an attorney asks officers that in court all the time, he has yet to find someone who is certified give him an answer.

because cars don't drive through the court room :rolleyes:

and anyone who is certified in radar visual estimation is the most important part of radar.

if your not accurate in visual estimation you don't know if the radar gun is working properly (Along with function checking the unit)

Li-dar on the other hand your visual estimation is not quite as important and 99% of agencies have li-dar it tells you car specific speeds while radar shows you every car in the width of the beam and at 700-1000 feet thats usually all lanes both ways

but ill reframe from offering insites if its gonna cause a fight :eviltongue:

[fenderltd]

In this same scenario, if you had a laser jammer and you were pulled over:

The officer asks you if you have a jammer. Do you say no and just point to your radar detector? Can something become of this if you I guess... Lie and say no?

Just curious, I don't have either.

[jragan]

In this same scenario, if you had a laser jammer and you were pulled over:

The officer asks you if you have a jammer. Do you say no and just point to your radar detector? Can something become of this if you I guess... Lie and say no?

Just curious, I don't have either.
You don't answer. Never incriminte yourself. Put the burden on them to prove you have a jammer, don't do their job for them.

[Fubar]

You don't answer. Never incriminte yourself. Put the burden on them to prove you have a jammer, don't do their job for them.

I suspect you would end up in jail if you took this approach.

It doesn't mater what you say, the officer will assume you have a jammer and ticket you if he wants. The charge needs to fought in court. With a court ruling in place, you could start to seek punitive damages or contempt charges against the Police Chief. That would put an end to it.

[fenderltd]

I suspect you would end up in jail if you took this approach.

It doesn't mater what you say, the officer will assume you have a jammer and ticket you if he wants. The charge needs to fought in court. With a court ruling in place, you could start to seek punitive damages or contempt charges against the Police Chief. That would put an end to it.


So in this case if the officer said "I know you have a laser jammer" is this correct?

A) You would respond yes?
B) I'm not sure, it came with the car

So if your going to get a ticket, what's the actual citation for? If he doesn't know your speed, he doesn't issue you a speeding ticket right?

[Invisibra_Norm]

Don't talk to the police.

Video: Long video, but very very interesting.

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[jragan]

Don't talk to the police.

Video: Long video, but very very interesting.
+1-Million. My fiancee's sister is Legal Aid for New York City and would say that you never ever ever talk to the police especially if you're innocent. Better to spend a night in jail for not cooperating (that even a piss-poor lawyer would be able to get you out of), than years in jail because you opened your mouth (something that a great lawyer can't fix).

[Fubar]

So in this case if the officer said "I know you have a laser jammer" is this correct?

A) You would respond yes?
B) I'm not sure, it came with the car

So if your going to get a ticket, what's the actual citation for? If he doesn't know your speed, he doesn't issue you a speeding ticket right?

I would say no and see if he can prove it. You can say yes. You're going to get the same ticket. The ticket is called "Interfering with the duties of an officer." There is nothing illegal about having a laser detector. However, Irving has taken the stance that using it brakes the above mentioned law.

Don't talk to the police.

Video: Long video, but very very interesting.



The guy in the video is absolutely right. 100% But are you really going to tell an officer "I refuse to answer any questions until I have an attorney present" over a class "C" misdemeanor? I understand this approach if it's Aggravated Assault or something major.

You guys let me know how this approach works out for you.

[Invisibra_Norm]

You guys let me know how this approach works out for you.

For really minor stuff, like you were speeding over a hill, the cop is pointing his radar at you, & then pulls you over... Yea, I'll admit to being a bit on the throttle.

If on the other hand, I hit it off of a light, & a kid in a civic with no muffler hits it at the same time, & we both get pulled over. I'll be very quiet till I can fight a racing ticket in court with an attorney.

[mordor110]

I remember when this would have been dismissed for the cop not showing the first time.. no longer the case. I think they miss the first court date on purpose just to make fighting a ticket more inconvenient. :thumpdown: I think you are also entitled to a reschedule, ask your attorney.. maybe you can no show round 2 and make him show up twice.

Yeah downtown Dallas they only give them one chance to show up, or that's how it was a few years back the last time I got a ticket in Dallas city. They have too much volume to mess around with follow up courts dates. Smaller cities have more time to spend on such tasks.

That's how I think a lot of ticket lawyers work, they keep resetting for as long as they can get away with. Hoping the cop eventually doesn't show up, or the cops memory fades so it makes fighting it easier. I've heard of cases where the lawyer kept resetting, ended up forgetting about it themselves and the defendant ended up with an arrest warrant.

[irving78]

Thanks to all the geniuses who thought it was cool or funny to run around town using their laser jammers messing with cops.....the state of tx has now outlawed them! And trust me the cops are waiting for this law to go into effect bc they the cars and people who have used them in the pass. Anyways thanx to all those dummies.....its not fun or cute now is it???

[Vandit]

Yea, shame on people who actually use a device they installed on their car.

If people would have never used them, then the state would have never outlawed them.

/end sarcasm

The outlawed topic has been discussed extensively in another thread.

[GTCole]

LOL. Mr. newb is no happy.

[Fubar]

Thanks to all the geniuses who thought it was cool or funny to run around town using their laser jammers messing with cops.....the state of tx has now outlawed them! And trust me the cops are waiting for this law to go into effect bc they the cars and people who have used them in the pass. Anyways thanx to all those dummies.....its not fun or cute now is it???

Odd that you would join this website and make this as your first post. Why is this an issue for you?

[Mr. Hollywood]

Thanks to all the geniuses who thought it was cool or funny to run around town using their laser jammers messing with cops.....the state of tx has now outlawed them! And trust me the cops are waiting for this law to go into effect bc they the cars and people who have used them in the pass. Anyways thanx to all those dummies.....its not fun or cute now is it???

Is using the word "retard" wrong, in responding to the above context ?

[GTCole]

It's one of many options.

[BMWAgee]

Thanks to all the geniuses who thought it was cool or funny to run around town using their laser jammers messing with cops.....the state of tx has now outlawed them! And trust me the cops are waiting for this law to go into effect bc they the cars and people who have used them in the pass. Anyways thanx to all those dummies.....its not fun or cute now is it???

"You a cop, Brian?"

[TXSailor]

odd way to make friends and influence people.

[Fubar]

"You a cop, Brian?"

na, he's not the cop that is manipulating the law to do whatever he wants. That cop wouldn't pick a fight on the internet where he knows people would use the actual law to crucify him. That cop prefers to argue with people he can threaten with incarceration. It's a slam drunk win for him.

So what's your beef irving78? :whistle:

[GTCole]

Mr. 1 post is gone for good.

[Zinia]

:laugh:

[trentor]

I still want to buy a parking sensor.

[Karter01]

I still want to buy a parking sensor.

Which brings about another question....
Once this jammer law goes into effect, would it be legal and believable to say you have parking sensors? Or would this be a joke they wouldn't find too funny?

[Qship5]

Which brings about another question....
Once this jammer law goes into effect, would it be legal and believable to say you have parking sensors? Or would this be a joke they wouldn't find too funny?

No joke...My parking sensor even tells you that it is one...Not my fault that it happens to overlap the light frequency spectrum used by some silly speed measuring equipment...

[Airbag79]

Looks like it's effective September 1st:

BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTIONA1.
Subchapter K, Chapter 547, Transportation Code,
is amended by adding Section 547.616 to read as follows:

Sec.A547.616.RADAR INTERFERENCE DEVICES; OFFENSE. (a) In
this section, "radar interference device" means a device, a
mechanism, an instrument, or equipment that is designed,
manufactured, used, or intended to be used to interfere with,
scramble, disrupt, or otherwise cause to malfunction a radar or
laser device used to measure the speed of a motor vehicle by a law
enforcement agency of this state or a political subdivision of this
state, including a "radar jamming device," "jammer," "scrambler,"
or "diffuser." The term does not include a ham radio, band radio,
or similar electronic device.

(b)A person, other than a law enforcement officer in the
discharge of the officer ’s official duties, may not use, attempt to
use, install, operate, or attempt to operate a radar interference
device in a motor vehicle operated by the person.

©A person may not purchase, sell, or offer for sale a
radar interference device to be used in a manner described by
Subsection (B).

(d)A person who violates this section commits an
offense. An offense under this subsection is a Class C
misdemeanor.

SECTIONA2.This Act takes effect September 1, 2011.

[Qship5]

I guess since they are illegal to sell after 9/1, the value of units already here will go up???

I still have a parking aid and nothing more...:whistle:

[irving78]

the same reason its an issue for everyone else who was talking about it. Its bad news for us drivers, considering now that almost everything now is laser and it was our only defense. I just dont get why people had to be soooooo dumb in their use of them.

[irving78]

Is using the word "retard" wrong, in responding to the above context ?
So its "retarded" of me to comply with the manufactures suggestions on how to use the jammers, for me to not to jtg every time or continually drive by and get pulled over and film while its happening telling the cops "its not illegal" etc etc. So youre saying its smart to do what is mentioned above and retarded to be smart about the laser jammers usage? lol Thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard! Whats really "RETARDED" is how a bunch of jackasses defeated their own purposes in having jammers by getting them outlawed because of their stupid behavior with them, now thats retarded. Remember it was the Irving police who testified to the committee about their usage to get them outlawed, now thats truly retarded to get the police u were screwing with to outlaw your equipment. Congratulations! Why dont you write the police and let them know about any other unlawful things you may have in your cars so they can pull u over! better yet lets drive by them all time like it was done in the past using the jammers. Except this time lets just keep driving by till they catch on to us drinking 40ozs and smoking weed then pull us over and arrest us. F****ng with poliice, now Talking about retarded behavior, there you go!!!!

[irving78]

"You a cop, Brian?"
No Im not a cop but my brother is in collin county. He said it was so obvious when people were using those jammers, bc the gun doesnt malfunction for that long. Anyways he happily awaits for the next jammer customer he will come across as now he has reason to pull over any vehicle his gun doesnt get an instant reading on because of the new law. So yay for us, right? Idk if getting my vehicle impounded, my 600$ plus blinder set confiscated, possibly being arrested, a possible criminal record and up to a 500 fine is worth it anymore. Thanks to a few jackasses who had to show off and thought it was cute to screw with mr piggy, do you think its worth it?

[irving78]

Completely missed my point guy! I wasnt saying shame on people who use what they put on their vehicle! I was saying what dumbasses people are in how they use such equipment. You can have a gun, laser pointer, bat, coffee whatever you want. It just depends on how intelligently you use such things. Obviously the laser jammer users in the dallas area werent the smartest with their products. Get the point now?

[irving78]

Of course im not happy! Are you about the law, see my above comments. I dont think anyones ever happy to be out 650 dollars for the jammers plus another 200 for the install. Would u like to be out 850 bc other people chose to be dumb with their blinders?

[irving78]

odd way to make friends and influence people.
Im not trying to make friends, just cant believe how dumb people are about doing ****! Just calling it the way I see it, sorry if I offend ya. Im not trying to influence anyone either, I think our friends on here and in the dallas area who used the jammers to screw with the police did enough "influencing" on their own! Enough to get them outlawed! So lets give them a pat on the back

[BMWAgee]

DUDEBRO... calm down. We're all on the same page here!
-This law sucks, dumb people played with their new toys in dumb ways and we all pay the consequences.
-No one likes it.
-You weren't defending it, just pointing out the catalyst.
We're good :beer:

[Fubar]

I don’t think people were dumb about using them, I just don’t think most people understood them (and how to use them intelligently). I suspect that most people regarded it as a radar detector type device and once installed… it simply did its job. The fact that turning it off after correcting speed was ‘required’ was just more than most people understood.

PS: Getting mad on the internet, is like barking back at a dog. It will just wear you out and the dog will NEVER quit.

[Vandit]

Regardless, LE was gonna catch on and this legislature was inevitable. It's not like the existence of the technology was some big secret.

[CIWS]

I don’t think people were dumb about using them, I just don’t think most people understood them (and how to use them intelligently). I suspect that most people regarded it as a radar detector type device and once installed… it simply did its job. The fact that turning it off after correcting speed was ‘required’ was just more than most people understood.



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It is the inevitable game of cat and mouse. Just like with national defense and our adversaries. We/they come up with some new device or weapon and then the other side comes up with some way to defeat it sooner or later.

[Karter01]

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It is the inevitable game of cat and mouse. Just like with national defense and our adversaries. We/they come up with some new device or weapon and then the other side comes up with some way to defeat it sooner or later.

Now the question arises, what is the next best thing/predecessor to jammers?

[CIWS]

The best tool out there is communication. Even today when traveling down the highway one of the best gadgets to have in order to be warned about the location(s) of LEOs is a CB radio. Besides the standard B.S.'n going on they do still call out the locations of the LEOs, especially ones sitting in certain spots and running radar/laser.

Although ESCORT has this new "Live" thing, it's use could probably be circumvented with a standard App by itself. It would need to be available to both iPhone and Android that shared a common DB and/or set of servers. Running that App and driving down the road with drivers reporting the locations of speed traps could work as good or better than a CB. User settings and options could be set to each driver's preference, as far as distance around your location to be notified of, time out to ignore "old" reports, etc. Just takes a coder to write and market it.

[Airbag79]

The best tool out there is communication. Even today when traveling down the highway one of the best gadgets to have in order to be warned about the location(s) of LEOs is a CB radio. Besides the standard B.S.'n going on they do still call out the locations of the LEOs, especially ones sitting in certain spots and running radar/laser.

Although ESCORT has this new "Live" thing, it's use could probably be circumvented with a standard App by itself. It would need to be available to both iPhone and Android that shared a common DB and/or set of servers. Running that App and driving down the road with drivers reporting the locations of speed traps could work as good or better than a CB. User settings and options could be set to each driver's preference, as far as distance around your location to be notified of, time out to ignore "old" reports, etc. Just takes a coder to write and market it.

We need focused EMP guns. I doubt they have NED protection in their LIDAR guns. Seriously though, it would be undetectable and virtually untraceable, too bad EMP devices are not readily available.

[Airbag79]

Does anybody know the wavelength LIDAR guns operate on? I have a good idea, that would not interfere with the operation, but it would see it indirectly.

[CIWS]

We need focused EMP guns. I doubt they have NED protection in their LIDAR guns. Seriously though, it would be undetectable and virtually untraceable, too bad EMP devices are not readily available.

Problem is they would be instantly illegal because their use would destroy or damage city/county/state equipment.

[Airbag79]

Problem is they would be instantly illegal because their use would destroy or damage city/county/state equipment.

Such a buzz killer :beer:

[CIWS]

Such a buzz killer :beer:

Need to find a chemistry major and a paint specialist. 377 ohms is the magic number (for Radar solutions)

[Mike CLK Black]

Need to find a chemistry major and a paint specialist. 377 ohms is the magic number (for Radar solutions)

Might be able to pick some up at Lockheed in Grand Prairie.
Prolly need security credentials though.
I bet it would be good stuff! :D

[Airbag79]

Need to find a chemistry major and a paint specialist. 377 ohms is the magic number (for Radar solutions)

Or we could just strap anechoic chambers to the front of our cars :D

[trentor]

The best tool out there is communication. Even today when traveling down the highway one of the best gadgets to have in order to be warned about the location(s) of LEOs is a CB radio. Besides the standard B.S.'n going on they do still call out the locations of the LEOs, especially ones sitting in certain spots and running radar/laser.
^This.

On longer rallies, the CB and a scanner has alerted me many more times than a radar detector. A scanner can get overwhelming near large cities though, but on the open road it's invaluable.