ohhhhhhh snap! 1000hp TT F430!

[rberg32]

Yes, I will be getting one ;)

98Ub5OmwHGY

[Fubar]

wow... that will be ridiculous. Does it make that on pump gas?

[mbowdo20]

omg. Ill be in the bathroom for a sec.

[Junkie]

TT R8 > TT F430 > TT G as far as style goes anyway :) its hard to beat the way that car sounds :thumbsup2:

[Qship5]

That will be a sweet addition to your garage!!!:thumbsup2:

[RAC3ME]

Too many SUPER fast cars in DFW already... I think you shouldn't do it. lol.

JK

[RaceMX-M3]

Rick that's some crazy shiz. Do it. :thumbsup2:

[Mr. Hollywood]

That is a Texas car.

[tranman329]

is that SW's car?

[Mr. Hollywood]

is that SW's car?

Not sure.

[Vandit]

is that SW's car? SW has those wheels on his car, but his is a Coupe not a Spider.

[rberg32]

It's someone in Austin.. not sure who it is though..

[TSims]

Very cool. What does that package cost?

[RaceMX-M3]

It's someone in Austin.. not sure who it is though..

SW lives in Austin, wouldn't be surprised if it's his.

[Blake]

this is my favorite new tuner car i've seen in a very long time.

[RAC3ME]

Looks like the owners name is Jonah...

http://www.undergroundracing.com/customer-rides/jonah-f430.html

[GTCole]

I also want to know what this stuff costs?

[rberg32]

I'm guessing around 40-50k..

I also want to know what this stuff costs?

[GTCole]

I'm guessing around 40-50k..

Can't be. An 800hp change by Switzer to my car was $80k.

[rberg32]

Looks like the finally posted some pricing:

Ferrari F430 Turbo Systems

Custom Turbo System with Stock Engine
600 WHP on pump gas (93 octane)
800 WHP on race fuel (Race gas)
F-430 models at $49,000

Stage 1 Turbo System with Modified Engine
750 WHP on pump gas (93 octane)
1000 WHP on race fuel (Race gas)
F-430 models at $79,000 w/2 year 24,000 warranty.

[GTCole]

Someone help me with this deal. I don't know completely how it works. I don't understand how you can jump 200 or 250 HP just because of race gas. I'm asking the question based on the above post of what you get in the modifications. Where is the difference in HP coming from just because of some slightly higher octane? Forgive me if the question is stupid, but I don't see that difference.

[Mr. Hollywood]

Someone help me with this deal. I don't know completely how it works. I don't understand how you can jump 200 or 250 HP just because of race gas. I'm asking the question based on the above post of what you get in the modifications. Where is the difference in HP coming from just because of some slightly higher octane? Forgive me if the question is stupid, but I don't see that difference.

With more octane, comes more timing. Which lets you turn up the boost. Giving you more hp.

[Mr. Hollywood]

After having my turbo system updated locally. I can tell you that these shops are making upwards of 100% profit on these installs. I'm guessing there are less than $20k in the parts/labor of the $49k package. Yes R&D is costs money. But that is just rediculous.

[GTCole]

With more octane, comes more timing. Which lets you turn up the boost. Giving you more hp.

So just the 110 or whatever race gas allows you to turn up the boost on a turbo and that gets another 250 HP. Is that what happens to your car? I know Porsche's suck, but is that the same thing that happens to them?

[Fubar]

I have seen similar gains on the GT forums. 23lbs of boost is about the maximum you can run on pump gas (and 23lbs would be dangerous). With 116 tuners are going up to 28lbs.

Race fuel has at least two distinct advantages; one: it burns slower so that you can advance timing and get a more complete power burn; two: it has less pre-detonation characteristics which allow for more boost (which allows for more fuel).

It also smells really good. :whistle:

[Mr. Hollywood]

So just the 110 or whatever race gas allows you to turn up the boost on a turbo and that gets another 250 HP. Is that what happens to your car? I know Porsche's suck, but is that the same thing that happens to them?

On 93 octane, all I can safely run is 16psi...yeilding me ~1000rwhp. On C16 (leaded 117 octane) I can add more timing and boost...yeilding me at least ~300rwhp more.

[GTCole]

On 93 octane, all I can safely run is 16psi...yeilding me ~1000rwhp. On C16 (leaded 117 octane) I can add more timing and boost...yeilding me at least ~300rwhp more.

Really? Do you have a switch or something set up for the race gas?

[Mr. Hollywood]

Really? Do you have a switch or something set up for the race gas?

Yes, but it's better to upload a race gas tune from my laptop.

[GTCole]

Yes, but it's better to upload a race gas tune from my laptop.

Well, that opens up a can of worms in your favor, cause I haven't heard of many people being able to do that with a P-Car. So, celebrate tonight on my behalf. I tried to get Michael on his redo to have a button set up for either race or pump, and maybe he will get or has. Don't know. All the one's we get are just remaps. But, you have more invested in the motor as well.

[Fubar]

I think most of the American ECUs are much easier to reprogram. I know my GT and Cadillac both have the SCT handheld unit that lets me pop in different tunes or hook it to my laptop and build one on location. My old M6 was way to complicated and the compensation fields were not fully understood, even by the people at Dinan.

[GTCole]

I think most of the American ECUs are much easier to reprogram. I know my GT and Cadillac both have the SCT handheld unit that lets me pop in different tunes or hook it to my laptop and build one on location. My old M6 was way to complicated and the compensation fields were not fully understood, even by the people at Dinan.

That makes sense. My buddy has a Chevy truck with 3 different options on it and paid only $300 for the deal. An Ecu remap on a Porsche is about $3k prox. And you only get the remap. NO extra work. I know with the old Ford Superduty's, you could get the same on the diesels as well. Notice, I own a Ford truck, so minimize how often you get in my shorts over the P-cars.

[Silentrun]

Supposedly the "sport" button on the turbo offers two different maps stock. Sport-on is more responsive, you can actually feel the difference just how much clutch you don't need from a slow start vs with Sport-off. Since the last tune, the one that sucks now, there really isn't a difference. Something that's on my list of complaints, like no pull between 3500 and 6500 rpm.

[Silentrun]

After having my turbo system updated locally. I can tell you that these shops are making upwards of 100% profit on these installs. I'm guessing there are less than $20k in the parts/labor of the $49k package. Yes R&D is costs money. But that is just rediculous.

Rub it in why don't you...:banghead:

[tranman329]

I'm doing the an ecu tune soon on my 997tt. Hoping to get about about 500 to the wheel. I'll post dyno.

[GTCole]

Supposedly the "sport" button on the turbo offers two different maps stock. Sport-on is more responsive, you can actually feel the difference just how much clutch you don't need from a slow start vs with Sport-off. Since the last tune, the one that sucks now, there really isn't a difference. Something that's on my list of complaints, like no pull between 3500 and 6500 rpm.

Dude! You have 1 week to fix that car or you can rent my RS for $175k for the weekend.

[Silentrun]

Goes in Monday, they are dropping the engine and trans to inspect everything then work on the tune...

[GTCole]

Goes in Monday, they are dropping the engine and trans to inspect everything then work on the tune...

Crap. Now what for DE?:thumpdown:

[Silentrun]

Sorta hoping they get it done...wait and see process. BW knows about the DE

[GTCole]

Sorta hoping they get it done...wait and see process. BW knows about the DE

That is comforting......

[DallasM5]

That makes sense. My buddy has a Chevy truck with 3 different options on it and paid only $300 for the deal. An Ecu remap on a Porsche is about $3k prox. And you only get the remap. NO extra work. I know with the old Ford Superduty's, you could get the same on the diesels as well. Notice, I own a Ford truck, so minimize how often you get in my shorts over the P-cars.

compare how many engine sensors a euro car has compared to an american and that gives you a start as to why its so complicated. now add the fact that we have vanos systems, dual vanos infinitely adjusting cams, and the list goes on. on top of all that most euro manufacturers are just damn good at hiding everything so people cant crack the ecus.

Supposedly the "sport" button on the turbo offers two different maps stock. Sport-on is more responsive, you can actually feel the difference just how much clutch you don't need from a slow start vs with Sport-off. Since the last tune, the one that sucks now, there really isn't a difference. Something that's on my list of complaints, like no pull between 3500 and 6500 rpm.

if the sport on the turbo is anything like the M cars, its nothing but a change in throttle response. it makes the throttle, which is an electric throttle, a lot more sensitive. so what took 1 inch of pedal travel, now takes .75 inches. at least thats how bmw works, id bet porsche is the same. it gives you the illusion of there being more power, but really there isnt.

[RAC3ME]

if the sport on the turbo is anything like the M cars, its nothing but a change in throttle response. it makes the throttle, which is an electric throttle, a lot more sensitive. so what took 1 inch of pedal travel, now takes .75 inches. at least thats how bmw works, id bet porsche is the same. it gives you the illusion of there being more power, but really there isnt.

It's not the same in the 997 Turbo... It actually remaps the mid range and adds boost. It doesn't change peak output but does change mid range power.

From my understanding, on other 997 NA models it's like the BMW with increased throttle response.

You can read more on it here if interested:

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/gt3-gt2-gt/176503-sport-button-seperate-sport-chrono-package-new-gt3.html

[DallasM5]

It's not the same in the 997 Turbo... It actually remaps the mid range and adds boost. It doesn't change peak output but does change mid range power.

From my understanding, on other 997 NA models it's like the BMW with increased throttle response.

You can read more on it here if interested:

http://www.6speedonline.com/forums/gt3-gt2-gt/176503-sport-button-seperate-sport-chrono-package-new-gt3.html

interesting, thanks Al!