Hey Fubar

[Crash]

Did that F430 not want his feelings hurt yesterday?

[Bruce954]

F4:turtle:

[snowball]

I understand the comments here, but there are those that buy a car for it's road handling more so, than it's drag race capabilities. That is not saying I don't respect a fast "drag race" car. ;)

And, of course there are a host of other reasons too to buy a :turtle:.

[Qship5]

I understand the comments here, but there are those that buy a car for it's road handling more so, than it's drag race capabilities. That is not saying I don't respect a fast "drag race" car. ;)

And, of course there are a host of other reasons too to buy a :turtle:.

I agree completely. The F430 may not be the fastest thing out there, but it is a Ferrari, and that says a lot.:thumbsup2:

[Bruce954]

I understand the comments here, but there are those that buy a car for it's road handling more so, than it's drag race capabilities. That is not saying I don't respect a fast "drag race" car. ;)

And, of course there are a host of other reasons too to buy a :turtle:.


I wasn't bashing the car just making a joke. It is a thread about a possible drag race isn't it?

I would burn my car with my mother in it for that car!

[BlackSheep]

I understand the comments here, but there are those that buy a car for it's road handling more so, than it's drag race capabilities. That is not saying I don't respect a fast "drag race" car. ;)

And, of course there are a host of other reasons too to buy a :turtle:.


My car's skidpad is .98g's to 1.02g's depending on which article you read.. Looks like the same as the F430.. So yes, some of us buy them for more than straight line performance.. Doing the 1/4 mile a full second faster than the F430 is just a bonus:D

[Mr. Hollywood]

Ferraris and the like, are "status" symbols. You don't buy one because it's fast. You buy one because you can. The rest of us will just have to be content with sending them back to their dealer saying "WTF, my car is slow", after they were spanked by a lowly domestic on the tollway. :D

[Red Baron]

Yeah, but 15 to 20 years from now, it is still a Ferrari and you still got a domestic hunk of metal with cracking and rattling plastic, worth close to nothing.

Give the :turtle: any day over any GM or Chrysler modern Muscle car. :rolleyes:

[Bruce954]

Yeah, but 15 to 20 years from now, it is still a Ferrari and you still got a domestic hunk of metal with cracking and rattling plastic, worth close to nothing.

15-20 years :laugh: What are we supra owners :hahaha:

Give the :turtle: any day over any GM or Chrysler modern Muscle car. :rolleyes:

I buy cars to go fast. Not because I have a small **** and too much money.
*cough*Ferrari*cough*

[Red Baron]

I have a small **** and too much money

No need to get personal, that's info I don't need. :hahaha: :laugh:

[Bruce954]

No need to get personal, that's info I don't need. :hahaha: :laugh:

Ferrari owner or nutswinger :dontknow:

I'm guessing its the latter.

[Mr. Hollywood]

Yeah, but 15 to 20 years from now, it is still a Ferrari and you still got a domestic hunk of metal with cracking and rattling plastic, worth close to nothing.

Give the :turtle: any day over any GM or Chrysler modern Muscle car. :rolleyes:

:hahaha: Have you priced out a 15-20 yr. old Ferrari lately? When they discontinue my Dodge in a couple of years....I can only hope I have the patience to still have my Heffner Twin Turbo when your car is relegated to a 328. :dontknow:

[TiptronicSoldier]

I don't think a Ferrari would land me anymore women because women care about guys who are caring and sensitive and not about what kind of car they drive.

[Qship5]

I don't think a Ferrari would land me anymore women because women care about guys who are caring and sensitive and not about what kind of car they drive.

Walter, it won't land you any girls you want to take home to meet the parents, but in the right locale it will get you some great once and done girls!

[Qship5]

Not implying anyone is bashing the Ferrari. :D

Like most car junkies, I think all of us would happily have a F430 in our stable.:thumbsup2:

[Mr. Hollywood]

Not implying anyone is bashing the Ferrari. :D

Like most car junkies, I think all of us would happily have a F430 in our stable.:thumbsup2:

No bashing here. If I ever choose to buy something that looks fast, but is relatively slow...

I'll buy a Ferrari.

[BlackSheep]

Yeah, but 15 to 20 years from now, it is still a Ferrari and you still got a domestic hunk of metal with cracking and rattling plastic, worth close to nothing.

Give the :turtle: any day over any GM or Chrysler modern Muscle car. :rolleyes:

Yeah.. Those old clunky Muscle cars from the 60's and 70's are worth nothing... This is the end of an era for the American Muscle car, just like the 60's and 70's were.. I think you will be surprised to see what these crummy American cars are worth in 20-30 years.. Look at the Hemi cars from the 60's and 70's.. They were $2,500 new.. And perfect rare examples fetch well over a million dollars... So please tell me what exotic import has appreciated 400x's it's sticker price... NONE!!! Ever notice on Barrett Jackson how the American muscle cars are worth so much more than the Italian and German super cars?? I bet history will repeat it's self.. You may want to scoop up a ZR1 if it's in the budget and hang on to it for a while.. Probably a sound investment.. and a hell of a lot more fun to drive than a Ferrari!!

[mbowdo20]

The prices at Barrett Jackson auctions have almost no real world significance for actual worth of the cars in the past few years, the muscle car boom is over, even those few original everything matching numbers cars that went for 1+ million in 2004 are already back down to half that. Meanwhile nearly every Ferrari is still appreciating at a steady rate every year.

The "Pontoon Fender" 1957 Ferrari 250 Testa Rossa that was sold to race teams in 57 for around 8 grand just sold for 10.8 million, I haven't seen any GTO go for that yet. Real world value is all about rarity and race wins. The Muscle Car boom was just about midlifers reliving the glory days, and the artificial inflation caused by televised events like the BJA.

[Mr. Hollywood]

The prices at Barrett Jackson auctions have almost no real world significance for actual worth of the cars in the past few years, the muscle car boom is over, even those few original everything matching numbers cars that went for 1+ million in 2004 are already back down to half that. Meanwhile nearly every Ferrari is still appreciating at a steady rate every year.

The "Pontoon Fender" 1957 Ferrari 250 Testa Rossa that was sold to race teams in 57 for around 8 grand just sold for 10.8 million, I haven't seen any GTO go for that yet. Real world value is all about rarity and race wins. The Muscle Car boom was just about midlifers reliving the glory days, and the artificial inflation caused by televised events like the BJA.

Ok....but a F430 is the equiv to a 328 in the 80's. How are those values today? <<< Rhetorical

[Fubar]

Ferrari's and Lambo's are works of art. They are VERY Italian; beautiful, temperamental, stylish, oh yeah and fast. It is foolish and childish to deny their status on the world auto-scene. I know I want one. I also know that I wouldn't trade my GT for one.

We happen to be a group of individuals who have resolved to redefine fast. What we consider fast... the majority of people consider insane.

[Fubar]

Oh and to the OP, the F430 did run us... you just couldn't really tell.

[Qship5]

Ferrari's and Lambo's are works of art. They are VERY Italian; beautiful, temperamental, stylish, oh yeah and fast. It is foolish and childish to deny their status on the world auto-scene. I know I want one. I also know that I wouldn't trade my GT for one.

We happen to be a group of individuals who have resolved to redefine fast. What we consider fast... the majority of people consider insane.

+1 :thumbsup2:

[RaceMX-M3]

Ferrari's and Lambo's are works of art. They are VERY Italian; beautiful, temperamental, stylish, oh yeah and fast. It is foolish and childish to deny their status on the world auto-scene. I know I want one. I also know that I wouldn't trade my GT for one.

We happen to be a group of individuals who have resolved to redefine fast. What we consider fast... the majority of people consider insane.

+1 99% of the population would never consider using the words Ferrari and slow in the same sentence... I'd also love to own a Lambo or Ferrari and I will trade my M3. :)

[Red Baron]

Ferrari's and Lambo's are works of art. They are VERY Italian; beautiful, temperamental, stylish, oh yeah and fast. It is foolish and childish to deny their status on the world auto-scene. I know I want one. I also know that I wouldn't trade my GT for one.

We happen to be a group of individuals who have resolved to redefine fast. What we consider fast... the majority of people consider insane.

+1 AAA 110% agree :thumbsup2::thumbsup2:
Finally, someone with honesty and clarity of mind. :beer:

I didn't knock the GM or Chysler, until they knock on the Ferrari.
No matter how you slice it, it is a Ferrari and the others are still mass produced MODERN American Muscle cars with no history.
Ferrari is the symbol of heritage, status, history, art, stylish design, speed and technology.
Anyone walking down the street, has to look at it twice going down the road.
So, lets be honest here and not fanatics.
I would love to own one day, but in the mean time my Japanese Ferrari will have to do. :D

[Mr. Hollywood]

+1 99% of the population would never consider using the words Ferrari and slow in the same sentence... I'd also love to own a Lambo or Ferrari and I will trade my M3. :)

I seriously considered buying one ILO my current car. But the slow factor and maintenence costs steered me away. Maybe one day I'll get one for my wife. :beer:

[Crash]

My problem with them is that no one "really" drives them the way they're meant to be driven. I was fortunate to go to Maranello last summer and sit outside Fiorano (Ferrari's test track) and watch these cars pushed to their limits. In the U.S. I think they are just a status symbol. I'm kinda like Mark, I'd rather have a FGT. My dad has always wanted a Ferrari and will probably buy one, and I'll buy a FGT and beat up on him.

[rberg32]

+1

Ferrari is the symbol of heritage, status, history, art, stylish design, speed and technology.


Also, there is also the exclusivity factor.. before the economy went into the tank, good luck getting a new f-car without waiting for years on end, which just added to the mystique of the brand. Also, until you drive one, especially on the track, you really have no idea how incredible they are to drive. It's a surreal experience.. having owned and driven a lot of high performance cars on the track, the difference is so massive, it's hard to describe.
To be honest, before I could actually afford a car at that price range, it was quite satisfying to throw tire shards on the windshield of a ferrari or lambo (or any car for that matter). You can be the HP king with a ton of different cars out there now for not a lot of money.. however, I believe that if you had enough money and price was no object and you had the opportunity to buy one, I think you would ;)

[TiptronicSoldier]

+1


Also, there is also the exclusivity factor.. before the economy went into the tank, good luck getting a new f-car without waiting for years on end, which just added to the mystique of the brand. Also, until you drive one, especially on the track, you really have no idea how incredible they are to drive. It's a surreal experience.. having owned and driven a lot of high performance cars on the track, the difference is so massive, it's hard to describe.
To be honest, before I could actually afford a car at that price range, it was quite satisfying to throw tire shards on the windshield of a ferrari or lambo (or any car for that matter). You can be the HP king with a ton of different cars out there now for not a lot of money.. however, I believe that if you had enough money and price was no object and you had the opportunity to buy one, I think you would ;)

That's why when people ask me what car I would choose to own over any other car I always say the F40. It's not even considered supercar "fast" now but it will always be one of the best looking cars I've ever seen.

[QDOG]

How about a Lambo LP640 or carerra GT, or my favorite Ferrari 599GTB!!!!


I want a carerra GT bad!!!!! :beer:


Whoever says a Ferrari 599GTB is slow is smoking crack just ask Rick!

[Michael-Dallas]

My problem with them is that no one "really" drives them the way they're meant to be driven. I was fortunate to go to Maranello last summer and sit outside Fiorano (Ferrari's test track) and watch these cars pushed to their limits. In the U.S. I think they are just a status symbol. I'm kinda like Mark, I'd rather have a FGT. My dad has always wanted a Ferrari and will probably buy one, and I'll buy a FGT and beat up on him.

I see exotics all the time at MSR, particularly during member days. I've personally been on track w/ an Enzo & 360 Challenge Stradale. Hell, Scott and Q's favorite boy, Maranelloman, has driven his 550 at TWS a few times, although his regular track car is an E36 M3 daily commuter.

///Michael

[Crash]

I would think that those people are few and far between though when it comes to Ferrari owners.

[rberg32]

Probably right on this one.. however, I would assert from a pure percentage of owners of any track worthy car, regardless of the brand, you are going to have approx the same number of garage queens and Sunday Tollroad cruisers vs track day thrashers.

I would think that those people are few and far between though when it comes to Ferrari owners.

[Fubar]

+1 AAA 110% agree :thumbsup2::thumbsup2:
Finally, someone with honesty and clarity of mind. :beer:

I didn't knock the GM or Chysler, until they knock on the Ferrari.
No matter how you slice it, it is a Ferrari and the others are still mass produced MODERN American Muscle cars with no history.
Ferrari is the symbol of heritage, status, history, art, stylish design, speed and technology.
Anyone walking down the street, has to look at it twice going down the road.
So, lets be honest here and not fanatics.
I would love to own one day, but in the mean time my Japanese Ferrari will have to do. :D

First, there is no reason to knock GM or Chysler... THEY didn't knock anybody. The Viper ACR is the fastest car (in stock form) to ever run Nurburing... EVER. It is a pure bread race car. I wish I had one of those too.

Second, my personal DD, the Cadillac CTS-V will be produced in smaller numbers this year than the Ferrari 430.

Third, the corvette has one of the greatest race heritages on the planet. It would only be rivaled (and not beaten) by Ferrari or Porsche.

You don't give your country enough credit. Just because it doesn't cost $500,000 doesn't mean is isn't worth it.

[Mr. Hollywood]

I wonder if there more F430's or Vipers were produced in any given year? <<<Rhetorical

[RaceMX-M3]

There's only about 40 HPF M3's on the road. :D

[Rob1796]

First, there is no reason to knock GM...

I dunno about Chrysler, but after working for GM, I tend to disagree with this statement.

That being said, my dream garage has room for Ferraris, Lambos, and Corvettes.

I'll take a 288 GTO Evoluzione first if I could, though...Or, for the nostalgia factor, a 265GTB/4 in Sunoco Blue. I could pick it up in New York and drive it LA.

[BlackSheep]

Hmmm.. After doing a little research, this is what I have come up with.. 1987 Ferrari Testarossa MSRP in 87 was 170k.. an 87 w/ 20k miles on it just sold for $40,000 on ebay..

vs.

In 87 a Corvette's MSRP was 26k.. And a used one with 23k miles on it sold on ebay for $10,500, and you can find more that have held their value the same as this one in completed listings.

Looks to me like the lowly American Corvette holds its value MUCH better than the highest end Ferrari of its day...

The fact is, the Corvette holds it's value way better than any other mass produced sports car there is.. period.

I love when you can slap down arrogance with factual data..

[Bruce954]

Hmmm.. After doing a little research, this is what I have come up with.. 1987 Ferrari Testarossa MSRP in 87 was 170k.. an 87 w/ 20k miles on it just sold for $40,000 on ebay..

vs.

In 87 a Corvette's MSRP was 26k.. And a used one with 23k miles on it sold on ebay for $10,500, and you can find more that have held their value the same as this one in completed listings.

Looks to me like the lowly American Corvette holds its value MUCH better than the highest end Ferrari of its day...

The fact is, the Corvette holds it's value way better than any other mass produced sports car there is.. period.

I love when you can slap down arrogance with factual data..

You're the man Jason! :thumbsup2:

130k loss, ouch!

[Red Baron]

Second, my personal DD, the Cadillac CTS-V will be produced in smaller numbers this year than the Ferrari 430.

Third, the corvette has one of the greatest race heritages on the planet. It would only be rivaled (and not beaten) by Ferrari or Porsche.


I guess we should all go buy Cadillacs, because of the exclusivity factor then, don't you think???
You are correct they don't rival Corvette, they trashed it BAD.
The most prestigiuos race, mostly known to possibly everyone on earth
Le Mans, has not been won by Corvette or a Viper and only 15 times by Porsche and 9 by Ferrari, the closest american car the Ford GT40.
Ford has won it 4 times, so you are doing good having one.:thumbsup2:
And to add insult to injury, when was the last time Corvette or Chrysler won a Formula 1 event??? :confused:
So, in heritage, prestige, technology and speed they trash GM and Chrysler again, and don't even mention style/looks.
The point is mute when you try to have and honest argument with GM and Chrysler fanatics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_24_Hours_of_Le_Mans_winners

[Fubar]

I love when you can slap down arrogance with factual data..

The sentiment I was trying to get across was that all of these cars and the people who own them are worthy of our respect.

I guess we should all go buy Cadillacs, because of the exclusivity factor then, don't you think???

It would be a wise decision but they didn't make enough for everyone to be that lucky.

You are correct they don't rival Corvette, they trashed it BAD.

I think you are you only person in this conversation who sounds totally biased.

Corvette has never races in the F1 class. Why would you compare them in it or were you simply pointing out that Corvette has not entered that circuit and therefor is inferior?

The most prestigiuos race, mostly known to possibly everyone on earth Le Mans, has not been won by Corvette or a Viper and only 15 times by Porsche and 9 by Ferrari, the closest american car the Ford GT40. Ford has won it 4 times, so you are doing good having one.:thumbsup2:
And to add insult to injury, when was the last time Corvette or Chrysler won a Formula 1 event??? :confused:
So, in heritage, prestige, technology and speed they trash GM and Chrysler again, and don't even mention style/looks.
The point is mute when you try to have and honest argument with GM and Chrysler fanatics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_24_Hours_of_Le_Mans_winners

I understand that you believe La Mans to be the end all/be all of automotive racing but I would disagree. It used to represent the best a sports car could offer but has been over regulated. It lacks the real world application that it use to have. This is of course... my opinion.

I will agree that Ferrari has consistently made a BEAUTIFUL car. It is certainly one of the things that draws us all to the marquee. As I said, I would love to own one.

However, I think you are being just as childish in your arguments about how lowly the American marquees are as those that would bash the European brands.

[Bruce954]

I guess we should all go buy Cadillacs, because of the exclusivity factor then, don't you think???
You are correct they don't rival Corvette, they trashed it BAD.
The most prestigiuos race, mostly known to possibly everyone on earth
Le Mans, has not been won by Corvette or a Viper and only 15 times by Porsche and 9 by Ferrari, the closest american car the Ford GT40.
Ford has won it 4 times, so you are doing good having one.:thumbsup2:
And to add insult to injury, when was the last time Corvette or Chrysler won a Formula 1 event??? :confused:
So, in heritage, prestige, technology and speed they trash GM and Chrysler again, and don't even mention style/looks.
The point is mute when you try to have and honest argument with GM and Chrysler fanatics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_24_Hours_of_Le_Mans_winners

Ok your mis-information is getting on my nerves a little.

My car is a Commemorative Edition--Celebrating "2 GTS Wins 24:00 Hures Du Mans"

The color is called Le Mans blue

Corvette owns the modern GTS category, along with Aston Marin.

On a personal note, find any F430 you know about, beg that owner to bring his car out and:
I will outrun it going straight, outrun it on a road course, outbreak it, have a higher top speed, tow more, get better gas mileage, and change my oil pump for $100.

edit: calmed down at took out the bad words.

[Crash]

I think a chicken farmer from Texas said it best, "Ferrari's ass is mine."
-Carroll Shelby 1964

[Rob1796]

I started this post about an hour ago, I had to look up numbers

And to add insult to injury, when was the last time Corvette or Chrysler won a Formula 1 event??? :confused:

But Chevy and Dodge have dominated the GTS/GT1 Class in ALMS. Ferrari has only one twice in GT/GT2, and Porsche didn't start winning till BMW killed the M3 GTR due to Porsche complaining it wasn't a homogolized vehicle. Asking when they have won in F1 is like asking when was the last time Ferrari won in WRC and Porsche won a NASCAR race? Ford, while not as prolific as Lancia, Citroen, or Pugeot, has done better than Audi and Mitsubishi on that front.

So, in heritage, prestige, technology and speed they trash GM and Chrysler again, and don't even mention style/looks.

You have technology, yes. But the SBC has worked find cranking out onboxious horsepower and torque number reliably for at least 50 years, why screw with it when it works?

Speed? The ZR1 trounced pretty much everything Porsche has ever put out around the 'Ring, and when you really break it down, its a Corvette with a blower. The only cars faster are so called "hyper" cars, the Enzo, Zonda F Clubsport, MC12. Then the ACR went out and beat all of them, except for the Radical SR8. The fastest street car in the world is powered by a Small Block twin turbo V8. So I'm trying to find the speed part.

Heritage is arguable. Ferrari has Formula 1, but Ford engines have powered 10 winning vehicles (by constructor championship). Only six less than Ferrari. Porsche has no WRC wins (Ford has 3), but is the dominating marque in the 24h Le Mans. BMW holds the 24h N'Ring, but Ford and Chrysler have made excellent showings. In the multiple NASCAR series, GM seems to have a pretty strong hold. Chevy and Dodge hold down the GTS/GT2 Class in ALMS. In JGTC, Porsche has 3 Driver's Championship wins (out of 13 years) and 5 Team Championship wins (out of 13 years). More than Chrysler's one on the team side, granted. I can't find any numbers on The Race to the Clouds (Pike's Peak), and no Porsches or Ferraris or Lambos in Super Lap battle either. In FIA GT, Chrysler and Porsche are tied with five wins, Ferrari has 6. Porsche has 5 wins at 24h Spa, Ford has 6.

Style is 100% subjective, and can't be argued. Same with "prestige".

Edit: For clarifications sake, my favorite manufacturer is BMW. I would take a Ford GT over an F430, but not over a Scuderia. The only Dodge I would even consider buying is the Viper. My current realistic dream car is an E92 M3, my unrealistic is a 288 GTO. There is room for pretty much every marque in my dream garage. I love fast cars. All sorts of fast. Be they from Munich, Maranello, Stuttgart, Detroit, Auborn Hills, or anywhere else. I have never understood why hate is just piled on the Big 3's true performance vehicles from across the pond. As fast car lovers, shouldn't all cars be recognized for the strengths and weaknesses? Can't we all just get along?

[Michael-Dallas]

On a personal note, find any F430 you know about, beg that owner to bring his car out and:
I will outrun it going straight, outrun it on a road course, outbreak it, have a higher top speed, tow more, get better gas mileage, and change my oil pump for $100.

Not quite a Ferrari, but you may find this (http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12282) thread interesting. It was posted 5 years ago when Gallardos were brand spanking new. If you're not familiar w/ MSR, then 1:22 is SMOKIN fast for a bone stock car right off the showroom floor. I don't personally know Keith, but I've run into him at MSR a few times and even got a ride in his turbo spec-Miata. My guess is that if you ever meet him, strike up a friendly conversation, and throw out a "friendly" competition, then he may accept.

Also, if you read the 7th post, then he mentions his 2003 Viper SRT-10 that was a huge disappointment for him. If I recall correctly, he blew a motor (probably due to oil starvation) and Dodge would not cover it under warranty. Which is the incorrect answer for a very successful attorney. The Pentastar and he settled out of court and he's keeping a tight lip about it!

If you don't know Keith, then a little background: as far as I can remember, he was all about bang for the buck and he had Corvettes and Vipers. In the past few years (6-7 years ago maybe?), he's expanded his collection to Italian cars, including a Ferrari 355 and the Gallardo. I think it's safe to say that Keith is a TRUE car guy and appreciates every one of them for what they are worth. In some of his posts on Ferrarichat, he even keeps the Ferrari owners in-check and tells them that a Viper ACR or C6 Z06 will crush a 360 or 430 on the track.

Having said all that, so what if a Ferrari 430 is slower than your car. Ferrari ownership is about exclusitivity, but more importantly, it's about passion. That was certainly clear to me after watching Ultimate Factories: Corvette and Ultimate Factories: Ferrari on NatGeo a couple of years ago. The difference in manufacturing between the 2 is astounding for me. That's not saying the Corvette (or Viper) is all of a sudden a POS -- I wouldn't refuse a Z06 or ACR if somebody offered, but Ferrari is what I'd really want.

///Michael

[Red Baron]

Not quite a Ferrari, but you may find this (http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12282) thread interesting. It was posted 5 years ago when Gallardos were brand spanking new. If you're not familiar w/ MSR, then 1:22 is SMOKIN fast for a bone stock car right off the showroom floor. I don't personally know Keith, but I've run into him at MSR a few times and even got a ride in his turbo spec-Miata. My guess is that if you ever meet him, strike up a friendly conversation, and throw out a "friendly" competition, then he may accept.

Also, if you read the 7th post, then he mentions his 2003 Viper SRT-10 that was a huge disappointment for him. If I recall correctly, he blew a motor (probably due to oil starvation) and Dodge would not cover it under warranty. Which is the incorrect answer for a very successful attorney. The Pentastar and he settled out of court and he's keeping a tight lip about it!

If you don't know Keith, then a little background: as far as I can remember, he was all about bang for the buck and he had Corvettes and Vipers. In the past few years (6-7 years ago maybe?), he's expanded his collection to Italian cars, including a Ferrari 355 and the Gallardo. I think it's safe to say that Keith is a TRUE car guy and appreciates every one of them for what they are worth. In some of his posts on Ferrarichat, he even keeps the Ferrari owners in-check and tells them that a Viper ACR or C6 Z06 will crush a 360 or 430 on the track.

Having said all that, so what if a Ferrari 430 is slower than your car. Ferrari ownership is about exclusitivity, but more importantly, it's about passion. That was certainly clear to me after watching Ultimate Factories: Corvette and Ultimate Factories: Ferrari on NatGeo a couple of years ago. The difference in manufacturing between the 2 is astounding for me. That's not saying the Corvette (or Viper) is all of a sudden a POS -- I wouldn't refuse a Z06 or ACR if somebody offered, but Ferrari is what I'd really want.

///Michael

Michael, why you try to educate fanatics with your link, don't you understand this crowd yet??? :dontknow:
I said it before and I'll say it again, bunch Posers and Panzies. :hahaha:
My job is done here, which is create controversy and excitement on a dull and boring forum. :thumbsup2: :beer:

[BlackSheep]

Michael, why you try to educate fanatics with your link, don't you understand this crowd yet??? :dontknow:
I said it before and I'll say it again, bunch Posers and Panzies. :hahaha:
My job is done here, which is create controversy and excitement on a dull and boring forum. :thumbsup2: :beer:


I still have not seen an educated comment come from your keyboard yet... You my friend are the poser. If you don't like the forum, please by all means.. Beat it.. I'm sure none of us will miss your useless wrong biased information.. Bring a Ferrari out to the meet and I will give you a 5 car lead and the hit and run you down faster than a skud missle... Then we can do it on the track, you name when.. and once again, the Ferrari will be owned.. This is what I call a poser... For fun, let's put the Ferrari on the Dyno and see how badly Ferrari lied about the power rating on the car as well.. That would be fun!

P.S The Corvette is the only American car I own, other than the Ford Ranger at my beach house in Cabo that came with the property.. I also own 3 Mercedes and a Turbo Lotus Esprit. I am not American car biased at ALL!! If I want to go VERY fast, very reliably, then an American car is the ONLY answer in my book.. Please bring an Italian car out that could make me a liar:D

[Fubar]

Michael, why you try to educate fanatics with your link, don't you understand this crowd yet??? :dontknow:
I said it before and I'll say it again, bunch Posers and Panzies. :hahaha:
My job is done here, which is create controversy and excitement on a dull and boring forum. :thumbsup2: :beer:


It too bad that all you have left is a personal insult for the entire board. I was hoping you would offer more intelligent dialog.

Regards,
FUBAR

/close