Want some personal track coaching? [Archive]

Silentrun

11-08-2010, 02:06 PM

Several of us have been through Jason Hart's coaching days and wish to do so again...right now we have 2 people but need just one more victim...err student. :)

Check Jason out at http://www.jasonharttraining.com (http://www.jasonhartracing.com)

From Jason:
"I can do Fri the 12th (ECR or MSR 1.7) or Sunday the 14th (MSR 1.7)...other than that Sat 27th or Sun 28th (one of these dates will be filled soon, waiting for confirmation on which day). Let me know what works for you and if you would like to do a group. I have portable Data and Video now as well for those who do not already have it. J "

RAC3ME

11-08-2010, 02:08 PM

What does this normally run? I would be interested along with two others depending on price...

Silentrun

11-08-2010, 03:01 PM

Usually with a group of 3 it's about 600 per person...Jason tell me if it's changed. Anymore than three will change the amount of personal coaching time each driver receives.

UBR32

11-08-2010, 03:03 PM

Are you buying :D

Fubar

11-08-2010, 03:56 PM

He got me running that big fat caddy on the 1.7 @131.8. When I get the GT back I will signup for another lesson.

Money well spent, thanks J.

jasonhartracing.com

11-08-2010, 04:09 PM

Assuming everyone is a non-member and a group of 3 drivers the rate all up would be $550 per person at ECR or MSR (MSR you need to have a fire suit which you can rent if needed). Thanks for the kind words all...always a pleasure, J

Silentrun

11-08-2010, 04:15 PM

Chuck C has committed to any of the dates...two Porsche's and we need to be challenged!!! Step up to the plate!

Mike CLK Black

11-08-2010, 04:50 PM

From Jason:
"I can do Fri the 12th (ECR or MSR 1.7) or Sunday the 14th (MSR 1.7)...other than that Sat 27th or Sun 28th (one of these dates will be filled soon, waiting for confirmation on which day). Let me know what works for you and if you would like to do a group. I have portable Data and Video now as well for those who do not already have it. J "

Big spike in value right there!

Qship5

11-08-2010, 04:55 PM

Chuck C has committed to any of the dates...two Porsche's and we need to be challenged!!! Step up to the plate!

Not many of us with cars to challenge a pair of GT3 RS's

Fubar

11-08-2010, 06:10 PM

Not many of us with cars to challenge a pair of GT3 RS's

http://images.blippitt.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/gary-coleman.jpg

GTCole

11-08-2010, 07:49 PM

Not many of us with cars to challenge a pair of GT3 RS's

Actually, I have a regular GT3 with track exhaust and a tune. It has a meager 470 HP NA, so I'm not a threat.:whistle:

Michael, I have a track event this weekend at ECR. We talked about that. No way I can do Sunday, and Friday will be tough, but I would try.

Silentrun

11-08-2010, 09:26 PM

Friday is tough for me as well, but possible...looking like the end of the month.

But I think Friday it's suppose to rain.

GTCole

11-09-2010, 04:29 AM

Friday is tough for me as well, but possible...looking like the end of the month.

But I think Friday it's suppose to rain.

I'm thinking the 28th, as I'm gone the week of Thanksgiving to our house in Red River and could come back a day early. Otherwise, lets look into December.

Qship5

11-09-2010, 08:01 AM

http://images.blippitt.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/gary-coleman.jpg

LOL, you happen to be one of the few...

Silentrun

11-09-2010, 09:42 AM

Will the GT be ready by the end of the month...this year?:whistle:

Fubar

11-09-2010, 10:42 AM

Will the GT be ready by the end of the month...this year?:whistle:

Maybe...

http://images.blippitt.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/gary-coleman.jpg

GTCole

11-09-2010, 10:43 AM

I wouldn't run that thing on the track with the supercharger and heat. Not worth the risk. Just my .02

Fubar

11-09-2010, 11:04 AM

I wouldn't run that thing on the track with the supercharger and heat. Not worth the risk. Just my .02

If it doesn't work on the track then it's not worth it's weight in aluminum. I feel pretty sure we've got it fixed now but worst case scenario, we have to move the pump.

GTCole

11-09-2010, 01:05 PM

If it doesn't work on the track then it's not worth it's weight in aluminum. I feel pretty sure we've got it fixed now but worst case scenario, we have to move the pump.

I understand.
It's tough to make a track car and a straight line car. The 2 don't work. But, a Ford GT is a damn good effort at trying.

Silentrun

11-09-2010, 01:33 PM

Hell, if we run in December, or at least the end of November heat should not be a problem. Unless your trying to warmup the hands then the heat could be good.

GTCole

11-09-2010, 05:10 PM

Hell, if we run in December, or at least the end of November heat should not be a problem. Unless your trying to warmup the hands then the heat could be good.

Good point. I say sometime in December. Jason is busy doing some real job stuff, and will be open mid December. Pending weather, cold is good.

Brett

11-09-2010, 06:58 PM

He got me running that big fat caddy on the 1.7 @131.8. When I get the GT back I will signup for another lesson.

Money well spent, thanks J.

Let me know .... I think it'd be a fun time. I can wear a fake mustache so no one gets the wrong idea given our eventual date with the track...

http://images.blippitt.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/gary-coleman.jpg

Common cause v. the porschies? (not capitalized on purpose! :eviltongue:)

Assuming everyone is a non-member and a group of 3 drivers the rate all up would be $550 per person at ECR or MSR (MSR you need to have a fire suit which you can rent if needed). Thanks for the kind words all...always a pleasure, J

Is the price different for members?

Actually, I have a regular GT3 with track exhaust and a tune. It has a meager 470 HP NA, so I'm not a threat.:whistle:

Michael, I have a track event this weekend at ECR. We talked about that. No way I can do Sunday, and Friday will be tough, but I would try.

Uh huh ... sandbagger ...

My friend pulls high 1:20's in a stock one of those ... no one's falling for it. :deal: :beer:

Hell, if we run in December, or at least the end of November heat should not be a problem. Unless your trying to warmup the hands then the heat could be good.

Heat may not be a problem ...

Power + Ice Cold Tires = Potential Problem. :whistle:

Silentrun

11-09-2010, 07:22 PM

I ran a 1:24.5 with the fat turbo, should be able to do a little better if the nut behind the steering wheel doesn't come loose...

Brett

11-09-2010, 07:41 PM

I ran a 1:24.5 with the fat turbo, should be able to do a little better if the nut behind the steering wheel doesn't come loose...

Is that a problem with GT3RSs?

Silentrun

11-09-2010, 08:40 PM

Brett

11-09-2010, 09:06 PM

No, not at all a problem for the GT3 RS, but as stated the nut behind the steering wheel...you know the one actually operating the steering wheel, pedals, shifter...that's the nut to be concerned about!!! :burnout:

Oh, hah ... whoops.

I hear that. For me when it comes to the nut behind the steering wheel the issues are size related. Typically it follows the trend of faster and faster lap times followed by a split second of overconfidence and 45 minutes of cleaning grass from the radiator. Needless to say, subsequent laps revert to mere german car standards. :whistle:

I keed, I keed. :vroam:
(I love the smileys on this forum)

Silentrun

11-09-2010, 09:38 PM

No worries Brett, should be fun on the track :D While your cleaning the plastic I will be making laps;)

Fubar

11-09-2010, 10:27 PM

No worries Brett, should be fun on the track :D While your cleaning the plastic I will be making laps;)

He hasn't even been to the track yet, and he is at an all new level of cocky. :laugh:

Silentrun

11-09-2010, 10:32 PM

Car feels good...times will tell all. GT ready yet? :)

Fubar

11-09-2010, 10:36 PM

Car feels good...times will tell all. GT ready yet? :)

You really know how to hit a guy where it hurts. NO, it's still not ready yet. :argh:

Brett

11-09-2010, 10:42 PM

He hasn't even been to the track yet, and he is at an all new level of cocky. :laugh:

I'm thinking we should amend the challenge to include a P-car showing-who-is-boss-of! By that I mean not him ... he can't be the boss. It isn't a compatible situation with my ego... :banghead:

No worries Brett, should be fun on the track :D While your cleaning the plastic I will be making laps;)

Hey now ... I may fly off like a flaming comet of fire, but I do it in style! :cool:

GTCole

11-10-2010, 06:14 AM

He hasn't even been to the track yet, and he is at an all new level of cocky. :laugh:

I'm just sitting back and watching. This is good.

RS should do 1:20 prox on the 1.7. Maybe 1:21.

Silentrun

11-10-2010, 07:54 AM

I'm just sitting back and watching. This is good.

RS should do 1:20 prox on the 1.7. Maybe 1:21.

Go out and have fun just allowing the car to do all the work :D

Qship5

11-10-2010, 08:26 AM

I'm just sitting back and watching. This is good.

RS should do 1:20 prox on the 1.7. Maybe 1:21.

Nothing like throwing down a teaser time for you to shoot for Michael...

GTCole

11-10-2010, 08:38 AM

I'm shooting for it too, cause I just have a plain GT3, and don't want him to pass me too often.........

Brett

11-10-2010, 09:42 AM

Hmmm ... teens or bust, baby! :driver: :eviltongue:

Silentrun

11-10-2010, 09:45 AM

No Pressure here!!! :thumbsup2:

GTCole

11-10-2010, 09:53 AM

Hmmm ... teens or bust, baby! :driver: :eviltongue:

That would be tough with us being at our level. It could happen, but it would take time and Jason would have way more money.

Brett

11-10-2010, 09:59 AM

That would be tough with us being at our level. It could happen, but it would take time and Jason would have way more money.

Do any of you guys use Vbox equipment? I have some session data/video of a GT3 putting down some pretty quick laps that y'all could use for comparison.

And is there a way to upload to youtube that will only let a video be watched by being linked?

OKcruising

11-10-2010, 11:19 AM

Hmmm ... teens or bust, baby! :driver: :eviltongue:

:turtle: :p

Brett

11-10-2010, 12:14 PM

:turtle: :p

Sir, you take that mouth of yours and shut it ... you may be the faster, but I am not from Oklahoma. :argh:

GTCole

11-10-2010, 01:09 PM

himself

11-10-2010, 01:33 PM

Do any of you guys use Vbox equipment? I have some session data/video of a GT3 putting down some pretty quick laps that y'all could use for comparison.
I'd be interested in seeing the vid/data. Also, what kind of GT3? [6, 7.1, 7.2, RS?] And for apples-apples, what was the setup? And of course, what kind of times?

Here are the times I recall off the top of my head:
stock 996 ~1:21
stock 997.1 ~1.20
modded 997.1 ~1.16
997 Cup ~ 1.13

-td

[edit: to answer your youtube question, "yes" you can limit access. Process:

When you have a video uploaded, there is a box for "Broadcasting and Sharing."
- you can get there from your main Youtube account page, and clicking on My Videos.
- on your video home page, click "edit" on the relevant video
In the Broadcast and Settings box, click "unlisted"
- this makes the video unlisted (doesn't show up on searches)
- you will be given a link to the unlisted video
- post the link or IM / email it
Only folks with the actual link can access the video.
*note, don't chose "Private" as this requires you to email the link to your video and you have to affirmatively select the people that can view it.]

Brett

11-10-2010, 02:01 PM

I'd be interested in seeing the vid/data. Also, what kind of GT3? [6, 7.1, 7.2, RS?] And for apples-apples, what was the setup? And of course, what kind of times?

Here are the times I recall off the top of my head:
stock 996 ~1:21
stock 997.1 ~1.20
modded 997.1 ~1.16
997 Cup ~ 1.13

-td

:hmmmm2:

I don't know a lick about Porsche beyond some jokes regarding ownership. What I do know is that it is a 997 GT3 as it comes from the factory except perhaps the tires, I'm not sure what OE tires are for GT3s, but this particular car was running Bridgestone RE050's. As far as the .1 or .2 ... I assume that is year dependent, accordingly I have pretty sure it is 997.1. Unfortunately the fastest time I have for him on video/data is in the 1:21's ... the one good session it was in his car for while mine was getting the new Hoosiers on was cut short due to *cough* a Porsche getting stuck. :whistle: The subsequent session proved to be the last of his poor little tires tortured existence.

Basically some friends and I want to try and get a decent sized personal database of several cars running for comparison and analysis of particular shortcomings in our driving ...

Brett

11-10-2010, 02:03 PM

[edit: to answer your youtube question, "yes" you can limit access. Process:

When you have a video uploaded, there is a box for "Broadcasting and Sharing."
- you can get there from your main Youtube account page, and clicking on My Videos.
- on your video home page, click "edit" on the relevant video
In the Broadcast and Settings box, click "unlisted"
- this makes the video unlisted (doesn't show up on searches)
- you will be given a link to the unlisted video
- post the link or IM / email it
Only folks with the actual link can access the video.
*note, don't chose "Private" as this requires you to email the link to your video and you have to affirmatively select the people that can view it.]

Thank ya ... new to this whole video thing.

snowball

11-10-2010, 02:16 PM

Do any of you guys use Vbox equipment? I have some session data/video of a GT3 putting down some pretty quick laps that y'all could use for comparison.

And is there a way to upload to youtube that will only let a video be watched by being linked?

Several guys here use Vbox and share them, if you need one ask Scott (RaceMX-M3)....

:beer:

himself

11-10-2010, 03:34 PM

:hmmmm2:

I don't know a lick about Porsche beyond some jokes regarding ownership.
This is what I remember, but the years might be slightly off.

996.1 GT3 - 1999-2001, no US version
996.2 GT3 - available in US. 2004-2005 [380 HP]
996.2 GT3 RS - not available in US

997.1 GT3 and RS- 2007-2008 [RS ended 2009] [415 HP]
997.2 GT3 - 2009-2010 [435 HP]
997.2 GT3 RS - 2010 [450 HP]

Basically some friends and I want to try and get a decent sized personal database of several cars running for comparison and analysis of particular shortcomings in our driving ...
Shouldn't have any problem doing that. Lots of track video and data floating around from Miatas to Vipers.

-td

Brett

11-10-2010, 04:11 PM

This is what I remember, but the years might be slightly off.

996.1 GT3 - 1999-2001, no US version
996.2 GT3 - available in US. 2004-2005 [380 HP]
996.2 GT3 RS - not available in US

997.1 GT3 and RS- 2007-2008 [RS ended 2009] [415 HP]
997.2 GT3 - 2009-2010 [435 HP]
997.2 GT3 RS - 2010 [450 HP]

Shouldn't have any problem doing that. Lots of track video and data floating around from Miatas to Vipers.

-td

It would be a 997.1 then. Learn something new everyday.

Fubar

11-10-2010, 05:25 PM

Do any of you guys use Vbox equipment? I have some session data/video of a GT3 putting down some pretty quick laps that y'all could use for comparison.

And is there a way to upload to youtube that will only let a video be watched by being linked?

If you want to borrow a Drift Box, I've got one Brett. A lot of people use the generic term vBox (myself included) to address the small data recording devices that adhere to a cars windshield to log G forces and position/speed data. A true vBox is a bit more race savvy data box, made by the same company (Race logic) that can be used in conjunction with video equipment. Also, the software that access the data for any of these devices is free on their site.

http://vboxusa.com/

Brett

11-10-2010, 05:43 PM

If you want to borrow a Drift Box, I've got one Brett. A lot of people use the generic term vBox (myself included) to address the small data recording devices that adhere to a cars windshield to log G forces and position/speed data. A true vBox is a bit more race savvy data box, made by the same company (Race logic) that can be used in conjunction with video equipment. Also, the software that access the data for any of these devices is free on their site.

http://vboxusa.com/

Oh, I actually use a Video Vbox ... I was asking because the video and data taken from different units can be compared side by side as well as from different days/sessions. It could probably be compared with your data from the time with the Caddy when you took lessons from Jason as well ... just without the purdy first person view of any spins. :beer:

Fubar

11-10-2010, 05:48 PM

Ah, cool... you pimp, I was just looking at those video vboxes. Which model do you have?

Brett

11-10-2010, 05:52 PM

Ah, cool... you pimp, I was just looking at those video vboxes. Which model do you have?

Video VBox Lite 2 camera + extra CAN channel ... only to find out Vipers have very little to offer from the ECU. :argh:

Fubar

11-10-2010, 05:57 PM

Video VBox Lite 2 camera + extra CAN channel ... only to find out Vipers have very little to offer from the ECU. :argh:

It looks like they have a OBDII port connection. Did you use that? I assume you jacked into the RPM data. What else would you want, throttle position?

Brett

11-10-2010, 06:05 PM

It looks like they have a OBDII port connection. Did you use that? I assume you jacked into the RPM data. What else would you want, throttle position?

Yes, that's the CAN channel I was referring to. Vipers can only really do RPM, Throttle, and one or two less useful options. Some cars also have steering wheel position and brake application channels which can be useful.

jasonhartracing.com

11-10-2010, 06:44 PM

Fubar

11-10-2010, 06:50 PM

Yes, that's the CAN channel I was referring to. Vipers can only really do RPM, Throttle, and one or two less useful options. Some cars also have steering wheel position and brake application channels which can be useful.

I'm sure the GT is the same way.

GTCole

11-10-2010, 06:56 PM

Looks like I have Nov Sat 27 or Sun 28 (1.7) and Dec Sun 12 (3.1) at MSR. Other than that MSR will need to happen after X-mass. ECR has more availability as MSR is FriSatSun until next year other than private track rental. Dec 17-18-19 will likely be PSDS. We have lots of options during the week at ECR and most often no one else is at the track!
I shouldn't peacock, but Barber's menu this weekend:
Audi R8
2010 PDK Turbo
(2) 2010 GT3 RS's with track alignments and Hoosier's

FYI, all will be in Dallas for winter track events until the snow melts up North. Can you say GT3 RS assault this winter with all you guys!

I'm game for Dec 12th at MSR 3.1, and also game for anytime at ECR. Wouldn't mind instruction at another track. I like the open track idea. Big time. Getting good a driving doesn't matter which track.

I don't have an RS. I sold it. Not sure you knew. I have a regular GT3 though. With a touch more power.

Wonder how much it costs to private up Barber?

Greg S

11-10-2010, 06:59 PM

I shouldn't peacock, but Barber's menu this weekend:
Audi R8
2010 PDK Turbo
(2) 2010 GT3 RS's with track alignments and Hoosier's

I'll be there this weekend... racing :p .

jasonhartracing.com

11-10-2010, 07:12 PM

Just lemme know on which date you guys want to set up. Stop by and say hello Greg, what is the info on the car you are racing? J

GTCole

11-10-2010, 07:16 PM

Sherman, you watching? Email me on your good times. I will coordinate with Jason the day and location. I will talk to Schilling and get him on board. I might want to rent a spec boxster that day and do about half the day in that car. Schilling might do the other half. Just thinking out loud here.

Jason, where is the spec boxster rental?

jasonhartracing.com

11-10-2010, 07:50 PM

Wherever you want, I have a Sbox available at each track. J

GTCole

11-10-2010, 08:06 PM

Wherever you want, I have a Sbox available at each track. J

Good deal. Does it have passenger seat?

jasonhartracing.com

11-10-2010, 08:11 PM

Yes

GTCole

11-10-2010, 08:23 PM

Yes

Interesting.

Greg S

11-10-2010, 08:27 PM

Stop by and say hello Greg, what is the info on the car you are racing? J
BMWCCA JP car(e36 328) #56

Silentrun

11-10-2010, 10:19 PM