Laser Jammers

[vh_bu98]

Okay, who has laser jammers on their cars and have they been effective? And any particular model recommendations?

[Red Baron]

Go here to find what you need to know about picking a Laser Jammer.

*Texas most used Laser radar gun is the Stalker.



http://www.guysoflidar.com/july-2008/laser-jammer-test.html

http://www.laser-interceptorusa.com/673.html

[snowball]

You can get a ticket for interference with a police officer for using any jammer. The local DFW area guys are just now coming up to speed on this one. Violaters are easily picked out as being the only car that doesn't register on their laser gun. You get a ticket for interference with a police officer and the local DA uses the interference as the law you broke. :(

[Qship5]

I have the Laser Interceptor and it has worked great on any laser encounters. The easiest way to avoid the interference issue is to turn it off after you are within the speed limit so they can get a a reading on your car at that point.

[vh_bu98]

I have the Laser Interceptor and it has worked great on any laser encounters. The easiest way to avoid the interference issue is to turn it off after you are within the speed limit so they can get a a reading on your car at that point.

I am curious if they can still try to get you for interference for the first reading even after getting a second good reading.

I am also wondering if the Laser Interceptor is worth the extra money over the Blinder.

[BlackSheep]

I am curious if they can still try to get you for interference for the first reading even after getting a second good reading.

I am also wondering if the Laser Interceptor is worth the extra money over the Blinder.


One ticket would off set the difference.. Hands down, the interceptor.

[Red Baron]

I am curious if they can still try to get you for interference for the first reading even after getting a second good reading.

I am also wondering if the Laser Interceptor is worth the extra money over the Blinder.

If you slow down to speed, turn your jammer off and they get a reading, they have no way of knowing that you Jammed them.
If you don't turn it off, you are easy prey.
The reason for having the V1 and the Jammer is to alert you and give you time to react and all appears normal.
Get the Interceptor. :thumbsup2:

[RaceMX-M3]

I hardly ever run across laser, I can't remember the last time my radar detector issued a laser alert. :dontknow:

[Qship5]

It is still not in heavy use around here, but it is becoming more common. Only took me getting nailed by laser once to invest in the LI.:bandit:

[vh_bu98]

I hardly ever run across laser, I can't remember the last time my radar detector issued a laser alert. :dontknow:

You must not be driving enough or be real lucky. Almost all of my tickets have been laser.

Irving - Two weeks ago where GB turns into 161 doing 81 in a 70
Wilmer - November of 2008 on I-45 doing 75 in a 60
Carrollton - November of 2007 on the service road of I-35 north of Beltline Rd doing 50 in a 35

[RaceMX-M3]

99% of my driving is from Frisco to Plano.. it's either K or KA band (never radar). I never speed in Carrollton b/c I know they have laser.

[vh_bu98]

99% of my driving is from Frisco to Plano.. it's either K or KA band (never radar). I never speed in Carrollton b/c I know they have laser.

Frisco and Plano have laser as well.

JRam and I were driving north on Parkwood Blvd by 121 and we got hit by laser. The cop was sitting by the container store in the parking lot. Of course we weren't speeding at the time, but that apparently is a favorite spot.

[goofygrin]

Frisco loves to laser on 121 around Coit (they sit off to the side on the north side of 121 shooting over the rise for people speeding on the feeder WB on 121). I've also been hit with laser EB on Lebanon approaching Coit. The cops were sitting in the parking lot for the hospital.

Plano motorcycle cops user laser almost 100% of the time and they are wily bastages. They work in teams, hiding behind bushes or brick walls until they step out in traffic to stop you.

Carrollton uses laser to get people coming off 190 onto 35NB (scared the crap out of me when the detector went off).

Mansfield uses laser too, but they prefer their Ka since it's easier.

Luckily DNT and 121 are mostly patrolled by the troopers and they exclusively use Ka (instant on, but they leave it on for the most part). The big issue on the DNT is the stupid radar bombs that they are setting up. You get warbles of K full blast, then down to nothing then a few seconds later full blast, then down to nothing. It's not all the time, but it's enough to be annoying as hell.

[Carlos]

Plano motorcycle cops user laser almost 100% of the time and they are wily bastages. They work in teams, hiding behind bushes or brick walls until they step out in traffic to stop you.


Sounds like the motorcycle cops in Coppell. They sit is people's driveways. One location they liked was in a short driveway where the garage faced the alley perpendicular to a main street. They zapped people from the rear as they drove by.

[Red Baron]

SB DNT service road, exit of El Dorado near Main Street, right after the toll booth and also right across at Rudy's BBQ parking lot.
I see them almost every day different times of the day.

Plano with Laser on Spring Creek EB right before Alma.
The patrol car is hidden in the shade of a huge tree.

[RaceMX-M3]

I hate getting tickets, I just pretty much never exceed the speed limit anymore unless I can see way down the road and know the coast is clear.

[Dave]

Linda off topic but, why do the Zip Cash readers set off laser on my V1?

It happens about 2-3 times a week when I get on the toll road from downtown headed north.

[Kumar]

You can get a ticket for interference with a police officer for using any jammer. The local DFW area guys are just now coming up to speed on this one. Violaters are easily picked out as being the only car that doesn't register on their laser gun. You get a ticket for interference with a police officer and the local DA uses the interference as the law you broke. :(

good to know

I always see Texas listed as a state where a jammer is legal but did not know this tidbit.

[Mr. Hollywood]

You can get a ticket for interference with a police officer for using any jammer. The local DFW area guys are just now coming up to speed on this one. Violaters are easily picked out as being the only car that doesn't register on their laser gun. You get a ticket for interference with a police officer and the local DA uses the interference as the law you broke. :(

Can you provide any links to this law or new enforcement?

good to know

I always see Texas listed as a state where a jammer is legal but did not know this tidbit.

I was under the impression it was legal to.

[Kumar]

Yea I was about to drop 1500 bucks on a fancy Escort unit that installs in the front and rear bumpers.

[snowball]

Can you provide any links to this law or new enforcement?



I was under the impression it was legal to.

I think you are missing the point. The law is "interference with a police officer doing his duties". Legality of Jammers is not the issue. They are using a different law to get those who are using jammers. :(

Laser jamming (in fact any jamming) falls under the umbrella of interference with a police officer in the performance of his duties. Please, it is common sense. :(

[Qship5]

This is the very reason the best strategy is to slow down when your jammer goes off and then turn it off to let the PoPo get a reading on you once you are at the posted limit.

[snowball]

This is the very reason the best strategy is to slow down when your jammer goes off and then turn it off to let the PoPo get a reading on you once you are at the posted limit.

Yep, exactly! But sometimes you forget or slip up and they get ya' ! :(

[Mr. Hollywood]

I think you are missing the point. The law is "interference with a police officer doing his duties".
Please, it is common sense. :(

No need to get pissy. :laugh: Because I've been pulled over for my tinted tail lights in my old Viper. The Plano officer (Motorcycle cop on Spring Creek, between Preston & Tollway) stated he couldn't get a reading on his laser. He asked if I had one...I pointed to it and replied "yes". He then chuckled, gave me a warning for my tail lights and said "your jammer really does work...have nice day". True story.

Now...back to that common sense stuff.

[snowball]

No need to get pissy. :laugh: Because I've been pulled over for my tinted tail lights in my old Viper. The Plano officer (Motorcycle cop on Spring Creek, between Preston & Tollway) stated he couldn't get a reading on his laser. He asked if I had one...I pointed to it and replied "yes". He then chuckled, gave me a warning for my tail lights and said "your jammer really does work...have nice day". True story.

Now...back to that common sense stuff.

Not trying to be pissy (I come unglued when I get pissy) .....just relaying a fact (true story too). Yep, some cops are in a good mood sometimes. :thumbsup2:

[Kumar]

so how much was your "interference with a police officer" ticket?

[Mr. Hollywood]

^^^ What he said.

[Fubar]

This is a misapplication of the law and no DA will try it in open court. The law specifically states that it cannot be used in this manner. The intent is for you to roll over and pay the ticket and then get rid of your laser jammer. I have only heard about this happening once and I know the lawyer who defended it.

The down side is an officer can take you to jail for the offense. Even if you beat the case later... you still had to go to jail because the officer wanted to **** with you. Have fun!!

[Mr. Hollywood]

This is a misapplication of the law and no DA will try it in open court. The law specifically states that it cannot be used in this manner. The intent is for you to roll over and pay the ticket and then get rid of your laser jammer. I have only heard about this happening once and I know the lawyer who defended it.

The down side is an officer can take you to jail for the offense. Even if you beat the case later... you still had to go to jail because the officer wanted to **** with you. Have fun!!

We better watch out !!! I just warned our maid that the State of Texas could very well enforce the following law...

Up to a felony charge can be levied for promoting the use of, or owning more than six dildos.

[snowball]

This is a misapplication of the law and no DA will try it in open court. The law specifically states that it cannot be used in this manner. The intent is for you to roll over and pay the ticket and then get rid of your laser jammer. I have only heard about this happening once and I know the lawyer who defended it.

The down side is an officer can take you to jail for the offense. Even if you beat the case later... you still had to go to jail because the officer wanted to **** with you. Have fun!!

Yep, you can get off, but the whole thing can be a real pain in the ass! :(

Texas Penal Code, Section 38.15 - Interference with Public Duties

"CHAPTER 38. OBSTRUCTING GOVERNMENTAL OPERATION

§ 38.15. INTERFERENCE WITH PUBLIC DUTIES.
(a) A person commits an offense if the person with criminal negligence interrupts, disrupts, impedes, or otherwise interferes with:
(1) a peace officer while the peace officer is performing a duty or exercising authority imposed or granted by law;"

[Mr. Hollywood]

Yep, you can get off, but the whole thing can be a real pain in the ass! :(

Texas Penal Code, Section 38.15 - Interference with Public Duties

"CHAPTER 38. OBSTRUCTING GOVERNMENTAL OPERATION

§ 38.15. INTERFERENCE WITH PUBLIC DUTIES.
(a) A person commits an offense if the person with criminal negligence interrupts, disrupts, impedes, or otherwise interferes with:
(1) a peace officer while the peace officer is performing a duty or exercising authority imposed or granted by law;"

So how much was your ticket?

[snowball]

So how much was your ticket?

More than a speeding ticket.

[Fubar]

Yep, you can get off, but the whole thing can be a real pain in the ass! :(

Texas Penal Code, Section 38.15 - Interference with Public Duties

"CHAPTER 38. OBSTRUCTING GOVERNMENTAL OPERATION

§ 38.15. INTERFERENCE WITH PUBLIC DUTIES.
(a) A person commits an offense if the person with criminal negligence interrupts, disrupts, impedes, or otherwise interferes with:
(1) a peace officer while the peace officer is performing a duty or exercising authority imposed or granted by law;"

I am not trying to "one-up" you but you need to include the entire code because there are realivant sections at the end:

ec. 38.15. INTERFERENCE WITH PUBLIC DUTIES. (a) A person commits an offense if the person with criminal negligence interrupts, disrupts, impedes, or otherwise interferes with:

(1) a peace officer while the peace officer is performing a duty or exercising authority imposed or granted by law;

(2) a person who is employed to provide emergency medical services including the transportation of ill or injured persons while the person is performing that duty;

(3) a fire fighter, while the fire fighter is fighting a fire or investigating the cause of a fire;

(4) an animal under the supervision of a peace officer, corrections officer, or jailer, if the person knows the animal is being used for law enforcement, corrections, prison or jail security, or investigative purposes;

(5) the transmission of a communication over a citizen's band radio channel, the purpose of which communication is to inform or inquire about an emergency;

(6) an officer with responsibility for animal control in a county or municipality, while the officer is performing a duty or exercising authority imposed or granted under Chapter 821 or 822, Health and Safety Code; or

(7) a person who:

(A) has responsibility for assessing, enacting, or enforcing public health, environmental, radiation, or safety measures for the state or a county or municipality;

(B) is investigating a particular site as part of the person's responsibilities under Paragraph (A);

(C) is acting in accordance with policies and procedures related to the safety and security of the site described by Paragraph (B); and

(D) is performing a duty or exercising authority imposed or granted under the Agriculture Code, Health and Safety Code, Occupations Code, or Water Code.

(b) An offense under this section is a Class B misdemeanor.

(c) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a)(1) that the conduct engaged in by the defendant was intended to warn a person operating a motor vehicle of the presence of a peace officer who was enforcing Subtitle C, Title 7, Transportation Code.

(d) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that the interruption, disruption, impediment, or interference alleged consisted of speech only.

(e) In this section, "emergency" means a condition or circumstance in which an individual is or is reasonably believed by the person transmitting the communication to be in imminent danger of serious bodily injury or in which property is or is reasonably believed by the person transmitting the communication to be in imminent danger of damage or destruction.

[snowball]

Mark, sections 2-7 only extend the reach of 38.15 to other public employees. Section (1) can stand alone in any court of law in the State of Texas.

The defendant clause in your bolded text (c) has many other quailifications on it within Subtitle C, Title 7, Transportation Code, specifically traffic signs and markings. A posted speed limit sign falls within the classification. This is usually used to get people who flash their lights to warn on coming traffic about a speed trap. i.e. Lets the cop ticket a person who warns others!
POS, it all is! :mad:

[Fubar]

It actually is used as a defense. It says that "it is a defense to prosection.... bla bla bla" meaning that the law does not apply to people who flash their lights. I would use this argument to say that the laser jammer is only intended to alert a person to the presence of an officer. It is also interesting that our legislatures would add a section like that. I imagine they did so because they want people to continue to alter them to the presence of an officer and they might do the same. They would not want this law used to prosecute people who might interfere with the duties of an officer with regard to traffic citations.

also when you refer to section 2-7, they are a subsection of section A. This is actually a part of section C. Lawyers are cocksuckers.

[snowball]

I completely agree it can be used in defense, but it gets intrepreted different by different TX judges. :mad:

More discussion on tickets in Irving for using jammers: Laser Jammer Ticket Wasnt Speeding Irving TXl (http://www.radardetector.net/forums/real-experiences/44928-laser-jammer-ticket-wasnt-speeding-irving-tx-moto.html) :mad:

[RaceMX-M3]

I'm aware of one club member who is dealing with this issue now, I will not mention who it is but very interested to hear the outcome.

[Qship5]

That's almost one of those tickets I'd relish getting cause I know I'll win the case!!

[snowball]

That's almost one of those tickets I'd relish getting cause I know I'll win the case!!

So, I guess you don't mind wasting your time?

BTW, the police don't need any electronics to issue speeding tickets. They can follow you, or use simple visual observation. :(

Speeding Ticket FAQ (http://www.speedingticketcentral.com/speeding-ticket-FAQ.html)

"What if I don't believe I was going that fast?

It's possible the radar was picking up another vehicle. It's also possible that the radar unit was being operated improperly. Either of these are difficult to prove without the help of a speeding ticket attorney. Even if you are able to get the radar reading thrown out, many states accept the visual observation of the officer and will still find you guilty."


"Does the officer have to show me the radar/laser reading?

This is not required in any jurisdiction. Also, whether the officer allows you to see the speed reading has virtually no bearing on your case. Officers can lock on radar readings and leave them on to display to any hapless victim, even though it was not their vehicle that registered the displayed speed. "

[Fubar]

There is a way to beat any ticket... you just need a lawyer with the right attitude.

[snowball]

There is a way to beat any ticket... you just need a lawyer with the right attitude.

and you still end up spending hard earned money that you paid taxes on. :(

[Qship5]

+1...And sometimes it is great to see an arrogant cop pissed off because you beat the ticket he wrote.

[Qship5]

and you still end up spending hard earned money that you paid taxes on. :(

Very true...I for one will continue to use my V1 and LI to provide some measure of protection and when I am unfortunate enough to get a ticket will either hire a good ticket attorney of use the deferred option.

[Qship5]

So, I guess you don't mind wasting your time?

BTW, the police don't need any electronics to issue speeding tickets. They can follow you, or use simple visual observation. :(

Speeding Ticket FAQ (http://www.speedingticketcentral.com/speeding-ticket-FAQ.html)

"What if I don't believe I was going that fast?

It's possible the radar was picking up another vehicle. It's also possible that the radar unit was being operated improperly. Either of these are difficult to prove without the help of a speeding ticket attorney. Even if you are able to get the radar reading thrown out, many states accept the visual observation of the officer and will still find you guilty."


"Does the officer have to show me the radar/laser reading?

This is not required in any jurisdiction. Also, whether the officer allows you to see the speed reading has virtually no bearing on your case. Officers can lock on radar readings and leave them on to display to any hapless victim, even though it was not their vehicle that registered the displayed speed. "

Visual observation with no recorded speed will not hold up in court unless you have a corrupt judge.

It is true that the cop doesn't need to show you the reading from the laser or radar gun, but he will have to have that if the caes goes to court and will be required to provide it to you if requested through discovery. Reasonable doubt is easy to raise on many speeding ticket scenarios.

[Fubar]

Take it from a guy who has received 87 traffic citations... there is a way to beat every ticket. I have only had three make it on my driving record and that was because I forgot to deal with them (young and dumb).

**** 'em

[RaceMX-M3]

Take it from a guy who has received 87 traffic citations... there is a way to beat every ticket. I have only had three make it on my driving record and that was because I forgot to deal with them (young and dumb).

**** 'em

+1, I've been pulled over and ticketed many many times and have 0 tickets recorded. :beer:

[snowball]

:hahaha:Take it from a guy who has received 87 traffic citations... there is a way to beat every ticket. I have only had three make it on my driving record and that was because I forgot to deal with them (young and dumb).

**** 'em

:hahaha:+1, I've been pulled over and ticketed many many times and have 0 tickets recorded. :beer:

So, what is the total $$ amount:questionmark:

[RaceMX-M3]

:hahaha:

:hahaha:

So, what is the total $$ amount:questionmark:

If you're a good friend of Mark, nada. :bandit: