Dallas, TX - Cars and Coffee December 4, 2010 - 8 AM - Noon

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DALLAS CARS & COFFEE EVENTS
December 4th - 8am-12:00 Noon! Open to all car enthusiasts. If you haven't attended an event yet, either to showcase your car or cycle or just as a spectator, please mark your calendars for SATURDAY, December 4th. It is a great event for anyone who loves the sights, sounds and smells of serious metal (or in some cases fiberglass) art that moves! Seriously bring the family and your camera.
There's always something new to see or do. This month we will be collecting toys for Toys for Tots. Bring unwrapped gifts for children through 12 years of age. Each month a charity is selected to receive proceeds from coffee or beverage donations. The December charity recipient will be Toys for Tots.
Get in the spirit this December. Come listen to the hum and rumble of some of these exotic vehicles and bring joy to a child this holiday.

The show has moved to the first Saturday of each month. Both spectator parking and the car display is located on the Northwest side of Classic BMW's dealership. This show holds some of the finest automobiles you will ever lay your eyes on. Each month a local charity is selected and all coffee donations collected are presented to that organization.
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[BlackBird007]

I wont be able to make this.

[Bakushan]

I will be there for sure with some toys!

[TXS2000]

My son and I plan on being in attendance. Provided the weather is good.

[hp99hp]

hmmmm maybe I can make it out to this one for once with the new ride =)

[sgsuperman105]

I will be there with a better sounding 300ZX. I.e. its not misfiring all the time. Might have the old crappy window tinting taken off of it.

[S.A.K.]

Will be there for sure, taking some pics!

[sgsuperman105]

Will be there for sure, taking some pics!

I notice your a Z owner as well. If you want I can save you a spot next to my 300ZX.

[S.A.K.]

I notice your a Z owner as well. If you want I can save you a spot next to my 300ZX.

That would be cool, there actually is about 6 of us Z owners so far meeting up a couple miles south of it and rolling in together, if you are game for that let me know.

[sgsuperman105]

That would be cool, there actually is about 6 of us Z owners so far meeting up a couple miles south of it and rolling in together, if you are game for that let me know.

Thanks for the offer but I will be heading out way early. I will try to get you all coming in though. I will be doing videos like I usually do.

[S.A.K.]

Thanks for the offer but I will be heading out way early. I will try to get you all coming in though. I will be doing videos like I usually do.

Sounds good, I'll be on the look out for you and your car.

[vh_bu98]

So the start time is still at 8 AM? I would think that they would push it back to 9 AM due to less light out.

[Bakushan]

Come at 9.... dont get a parking spot...

[citylightva]

Parking spots are overrated...I park in the circle in the front of the office building and have my own show, but no one blocks me in...:-)

[Zinia]

Parking spots are overrated...I park in the circle in the front of the office building and have my own show, but no one blocks me in...:-)

That's because the last time you saw 8 AM you were just wrapping it up for the night. :D

[citylightva]

On a weekend, so true...:)

[midnightdorifto]

What the hell, might as well try. Best hangover cure in DFW. Well, that and Yogi's over in Fort Worth.

[TXS2000]

What the hell, might as well try. Best hangover cure in DFW. Well, that and Yogi's over in Fort Worth.

Drew...seems like you've been quiet lately. Work keeping you too busy? :questionmark:

[PAT_BMW]

We also will have 1/2 price Dallas Stars vouchers we will be giving out with donations!

Look forward to seeing everone this Saturday!!!

Pat Arnold

[Mr. Hollywood]

I wish I could go.
Even though I'm in town, I'm stuck watching paint dry and standing by...just to stand by. :banghead:

[Chris]

Great crowd, GREAT weather. It's supposed to get colder this evening though. Glad it held off. Good to see you and your wife, Norm!

[ranger22]

Tried to go, but the crowd was too big for me to find a place to stop. Gave up after 15mins. Seems like the crowd has out grown Classic's parking lot.

[BlackBird007]

Anything interesting show up?

[Chris]

Anything interesting show up?

I showed up. Norm showed up. He's kinda interesting ;)

Oh, and t-bucket guy with the ass hat decided to block off the entire front row for "a bunch of t-buckets that were on their way". 2 Hours later, there were still just a bunch of cones there.

[Mr. Hollywood]

I showed up. Norm showed up. He's kinda interesting ;)

Oh, and t-bucket guy with the ass hat decided to block off the entire front row for "a bunch of t-buckets that were on their way". 2 Hours later, there were still just a bunch of cones there.

F-that.
Cones are easy to run over.

[ranger22]

I showed up. Norm showed up. He's kinda interesting ;)

Oh, and t-bucket guy with the ass hat decided to block off the entire front row for "a bunch of t-buckets that were on their way". 2 Hours later, there were still just a bunch of cones there.

Its this kind of stuff and every bozo with a late model completely stock run of the mill car trying to show it that makes me not want to go. I think it would be fair to implement a rule stating that if your car is less that $100K, not a classic, and completely stock, then you are not allowed to show. You can see them every day on the road or at a dealership. Several months ago, I thought it was rather silly when I showed up in my wife's basic X5 diesel and one of the guys at the entrance asked me if I was showing or spectating.

[quikag]

I agree with Ranger. I have a basically stock looking C6 and I park in spectator parking because who wants to look at a stock C6? Anything that isn't over $70k and/or significantly modded shouldn't 'show' their car IMO. They need more spectator parking though.

[fenderltd]

I can't say agree with ranger or quik, but I can't I say disagree either. I've been going to Cars and Coffee since February of this year and it's been great. I love seeing all sorts of cars and not just exocitcs. I think trying to put a $$ cap on what cars should attend would defeat the purpose of the event. When I was younger, I had had many cars I had done some things to that I was very proud of and that other people enjoyed as well, but I don't think I would bring them to C&C. I feel it would be putting up a stop sign for some people who loves cars and may not have the budget of $50K let along $70K or $100K. The way I have always looked at it is there's something for everyone out there.

Don't get me wrong, I love expensive cars but I'm not going to say someone's car isn't nice enough to be at C&C. No matter what kind of car you have as long as your mature and respectful of "OPP :)" (other peoples property) and not revving engines and just being stupid, I'm fine with it.

[Mr. Hollywood]

Cars and Coffee started off great...for the first few months.
But when the stockish Mustang, Corvette and 350z clubs starting hogging a lot of the spots...:thumpdown:

The Viper guys aren't delusional to think that people are interested in a row of stockish snakes taking up an entire row of parking.

[Invisibra_Norm]

I showed up. Norm showed up. He's kinda interesting ;)

Oh, and t-bucket guy with the ass hat decided to block off the entire front row for "a bunch of t-buckets that were on their way". 2 Hours later, there were still just a bunch of cones there.

I am kind'a interesting!

AND, me & the wife ended up on the channel 4 news tonight, haha! I'M FAMOUS!! Too bad they didn't zoom in on my car & advertising though. :thumpdown:

[imaj]

I can't say agree with ranger or quik, but I can't I say disagree either. I've been going to Cars and Coffee since February of this year and it's been great. I love seeing all sorts of cars and not just exocitcs. I think trying to put a $$ cap on what cars should attend would defeat the purpose of the event. When I was younger, I had had many cars I had done some things to that I was very proud of and that other people enjoyed as well, but I don't think I would bring them to C&C. I feel it would be putting up a stop sign for some people who loves cars and may not have the budget of $50K let along $70K or $100K. The way I have always looked at it is there's something for everyone out there.

Don't get me wrong, I love expensive cars but I'm not going to say someone's car isn't nice enough to be at C&C. No matter what kind of car you have as long as your mature and respectful of "OPP :)" (other peoples property) and not revving engines and just being stupid, I'm fine with it.

+1_Agreed!

[TXSailor]

I agree with Ranger. I have a basically stock looking C6 and I park in spectator parking because who wants to look at a stock C6? Anything that isn't over $70k and/or significantly modded shouldn't 'show' their car IMO. They need more spectator parking though.

There were stock mazda 3's in the show lot. C'mon people.

[RioGrandeValley]

Geesh glad I went into work today and not to CC. Car shows in my opinion are meant for modded cars interior or exterior wise. Going to a show to see stock cars isn't much of a show instead it's called North Park Mall parking lot. Adding insult to injury is getting blocked in while parked in the show car area. FYI I park over by the Preowned section as I know my cars are not worth a second glance. For me the only other CC worth going will be the March 2011 show. Hopefully something really really SPECIAL coming in for that one. CAN'T WAIT the hype is killing me!!!!! Let's just see if it happens but crossing my fingers...

[Wookie420]

I can't say agree with ranger or quik, but I can't I say disagree either. I've been going to Cars and Coffee since February of this year and it's been great. I love seeing all sorts of cars and not just exocitcs. I think trying to put a $$ cap on what cars should attend would defeat the purpose of the event. When I was younger, I had had many cars I had done some things to that I was very proud of and that other people enjoyed as well, but I don't think I would bring them to C&C. I feel it would be putting up a stop sign for some people who loves cars and may not have the budget of $50K let along $70K or $100K. The way I have always looked at it is there's something for everyone out there.

Don't get me wrong, I love expensive cars but I'm not going to say someone's car isn't nice enough to be at C&C. No matter what kind of car you have as long as your mature and respectful of "OPP :)" (other peoples property) and not revving engines and just being stupid, I'm fine with it.

This. I've always thought that putting a minimum value to show on something open to everyone would end up alienating a lot of people and make the people who instituted said minimum value appear to be a bunch of elitist douchebags. (OP please don't take that comment personally, I'm just saying. :) I've never met you, so I cannot pass judgment) Don't get me wrong, but if Joe Shmoe is proud of his stock Mazda 3 or whatever, he should be allowed to show it. Not everyone who's into cars can afford $100,000+ car. Just because some Ferrari or Lambo owner doesn't want to give it a second look doesn't mean that somebody there DOES. Different strokes for different folks people. Not trying to piss anyone off, just thought I'd throw in my $0.02

[Invisibra_Norm]

The only place I'd say they should draw the line, is if a car is obviously in a state of ill-repair. There was a certain older Nissan product there (Vague, in case this is someone visiting the board, I can say it was something else dude...) This car had a caved in rear 1/4 panel. The whole car was that nice oxidized matte finish, but not the RIGHT matte finish that seems to be the rage today. eh? I think they were parked there JUST so that they wouldn't have to walk from the spectator lot.

I have parked my G37 in a central location every time, simply because it is an advertising tool for me to show off my installation work. I hope nobody is offended by it's <50K original sticker price.

[sgsuperman105]

The only place I'd say they should draw the line, is if a car is obviously in a state of ill-repair. There was a certain older Nissan product there (Vague, in case this is someone visiting the board, I can say it was something else dude...) This car had a caved in rear 1/4 panel. The whole car was that nice oxidized matte finish, but not the RIGHT matte finish that seems to be the rage today. eh? I think they were parked there JUST so that they wouldn't have to walk from the spectator lot.

I have parked my G37 in a central location every time, simply because it is an advertising tool for me to show off my installation work. I hope nobody is offended by it's <50K original sticker price.

That is my car and it happens to be a restoration project. I had quite a few people asking about what I had planned for it and I heard no complaints about it being there from spectators or from the Z club which I was parked with. The engine was the first thing to be repaired and there are a few more mechanical things that need to be done before I get to the bodywork and paint. I am sorry my car didn't appease your taste for clean looking cars but I have seen plenty of restoration projects park at Cars and Coffee. Maybe you should have asked why it was there instead of making assumptions about the owner's motivation for parking there.

[Mr. Hollywood]

That is my car and it happens to be a restoration project. I had quite a few people asking about what I had planned for it and I heard no complaints about it being there from spectators or from the Z club which I was parked with. The engine was the first thing to be repaired and there are a few more mechanical things that need to be done before I get to the bodywork and paint. I am sorry my car didn't appease your taste for clean looking cars but I have seen plenty of restoration projects park at Cars and Coffee. Maybe you should have asked why it was there instead of making assumptions about the owner's motivation for parking there.

No offense. But the Zclub belongs at a Cupcake meet or RKC meet...not C & C. You wouldn't see that at Houstons C&C (which has better cars than DFW IMO) and especially at the original C&C in Cali.
Restoration projects are fine at C&C...when the restoration is complete and...well, I just stop there. I've surely caused enough of a :( :mad: already.

[RioGrandeValley]

Norm....Your car is always so Dang Clean that we're ok with it there. I keep up with both my cars daily but yours is always so spotless. Does that Invisibra come with a freaking force shield that repels everything??? Kind of Jealous !!

Superman I'm sure Norm didn't mean anything to offend you. He's a cool guy and I'm sure you are as well. At one point or another all of us here have had our cars criticized, myself included, as they're always a work in progress. On side note I'd like to see some before/after pics of your ride once it's finished.

Peace guys let's have a Beer Convention over it. I'll buy :)

[Mr. Hollywood]

Call it what you want, but "Alienating" is what C & C in Cali does...and what all the C & C's should do. Letting in everything to C & C is like giving everyone a trophy, not keeping score and letting everyone in the game in childrens athletics these days.

Gay Gay Gay.
:thumpdown::thumpdown::thumpdown:

[sgsuperman105]

Call it what you want, but "Alienating" is what C & C in Cali does...and what all the C & C's should do. Letting in everything to C & C is like giving everyone a trophy, not keeping score and letting everyone in the game in childrens athletics these days.

Gay Gay Gay.
:thumpdown::thumpdown::thumpdown:

Sounds like shades of high school to me to be quite honest. "No your not allowed in because you have a knock off purse." "No your not allowed in because your not 6ft tall." Cars and Coffee isn't a popularity contest. If C&C Dallas started selecting who could go in, Classic BMW would only have to close off a couple sections of parking spaces instead of an entire parking lot. There would be more spectators than owners.

[Mr. Hollywood]

Sounds like shades of high school to me to be quite honest. "No your not allowed in because you have a knock off purse." "No your not allowed in because your not 6ft tall." Cars and Coffee isn't a popularity contest. If C&C Dallas started selecting who could go in, Classic BMW would only have to close off a couple sections of parking spaces instead of an entire parking lot. There would be more spectators than owners.

Sorry about your highschool experiences, but I can't relate. It must have been tough being a sub 6 footer carrying around a Doony and Dork purse from home economics to scrapbooking class.
You're right though that C&C isn't a popularity contest.
It's also not a place for un finished restorations and 25 stockish [insert any run of the mill daily driver here].
If my car was even close to stock...I wouldn't take it C & C.
It's a venue for owners to bring out the cars you just don't see everyday...and what others want to see.
I'm sorry...well, not really. That's what I think...I'm just one of the few that isn't afraid to express it. As I don't care about the butthurtedness that ensues. Rat rods leaking oil. Stock Mustangs, Vipers, Vettes, Camaros and Zcars with aftermarket valve stem jewelry...need not apply.

[imaj]

LOL! Here we go again.

[Revhead]

Wow.. My dad has been trying to bring his newly aquired '77 maserati Bora to the show the past two months. I'll tell him to forget it since people will get thier panties in a wad because it didn't set him back $100K, even though I have yet to see one there. Frankly I see $200k lamborghinis every single day and unless there's a modified lamborghini there I skip right over those and go look at something I haven't seen. They are no different to me than a stock C6, 350Z or whatever. lately.. The exotics all seem to be driven straight off the lot and into C&C. I can go to a dealer and see those. So I don't think the price of the car should matter at all.

I rebuild engines for just about every group of enthusiast, and I can tell you every single customer is proud of his/her car. From the '67 Datsun pickup, to the '67 Z28 to the porsches, ferraris and other exotics. Everyone has a budget. The funny thing is, is that it seems to elude some people that maybe in some places even their $100k car wouldn't make the cut.

[sgsuperman105]

Wow.. My dad has been trying to bring his newly aquired '77 maserati Bora to the show the past two months. I'll tell him to forget it since people will get thier panties in a wad because it didn't set him back $100K, even though I have yet to see one there. Frankly I see $200k lamborghinis every single day and unless there's a modified lamborghini there I skip right over those and go look at something I haven't seen. They are no different to me than a stock C6, 350Z or whatever. lately.. The exotics all seem to be driven straight off the lot and into C&C. I can go to a dealer and see those. So I don't think the price of the car should matter at all.

I rebuild engines for just about every group of enthusiast, and I can tell you every single customer is proud of his/her car. From the '67 Datsun pickup, to the '67 Z28 to the porsches, ferraris and other exotics. Everyone has a budget. The funny thing is, is that it seems to elude some people that maybe in some places even their $100k car wouldn't make the cut.

:thumbsup2:

[Silentrun]

That all being said... I am just glad we have C&C in Dallas. Now if this were an event that charged admission then the Jetta's with taped-on corrugated spoilers need not apply. As this is a public event well it's up to the volunteers and C&C people to make the decision as to which cars "worthy."

That's the nice thing about America, we can express our opinions without fear of being shot in the head for our opinions. I believe cars that are tracked should be the only vehicles on display and the rest stay home!! :)

:scared0016:

[Silentrun]

Side note: It is weird how we get desensitized to high-end cars after seeing 4 or 5 the rest seem...well ordinary. I never got a second glance in the Turbo, guess it was just "another one."

[kba]

The reason people go to C&C is because they want to see nice cars. Note that nice doesn’t necessarily correspond with price but something such as a clean looking or unique vehicle. I have only attended C&C once (so I can’t speak with utter confidence in regards to the matter), I had to park past the dealership while non-nice cars where in the show lot. The way I view it is, people attend C&C to see nice cars therefore, if your car isn’t nice (a person can honestly know if it is or isn’t) then please leave that show lot spot open for someone that does have a nice car because that’s what people go to C&C for, to see nice cars. At the end of the day it’s not about having a show lot spot because you want one but because you know other car enthusiasts will enjoy looking at your particular vehicle, whatever it may be.

[RioGrandeValley]

I believe cars that are tracked should be the only vehicles on display and the rest stay home!! :)

:scared0016:

Hmmm brand new can of worms here Amigo! This will make the leader of that pack drop his two cents in as well. BTW where the heck is his input??
Still sad to see The Mistress No More...no 2nd glances from me in that new ride :(

:fight::fight:

[imaj]

I believe cars that are tracked should be the only vehicles on display and the rest stay home!! :)

:scared0016:

+1 Well said! :)

[CTK]

whens the next meeting? i wanna bring my 1979 v8 rx7 its got a 351w v8 and 350ish rwhp does 11.2 1/4 mile but i dont street race so dont bother asking if i want to...

so whens the next time the meeting will be?

[Mr. Hollywood]

What cars should be allowed into C & C has nothing to do with how expensive a car is.

Here are a couple examples of sub $30k cars. You be the judge in what the majority of the C & C demographic would like to see fill the parking spots...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1978-FERRARI-308-GTB-US-CAR-ALL-MAITENANCE-RECORDS-U-S-/190474048756?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2c592354f4

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/66-Mustang-FULLY-RESTORED-CUSTOM-RESTOMOD-65-67-68-/170574059155?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b7019693

Or whole row being molested by these...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-350Z-TOURING-NICE-RIMS-LAMBO-DOORS-MUST-SEE-/200547662153?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2eb1927949

[Mr. Hollywood]

whens the next meeting? i wanna bring my 1979 v8 rx7 its got a 351w v8 and 350ish rwhp does 11.2 1/4 mile but i dont street race so dont bother asking if i want to...

so whens the next time the meeting will be?

OMG...for realz?

[Revhead]

What cars should be allowed into C & C has nothing to do with how expensive a car is.

Here are a couple examples of sub $30k cars. You be the judge in what the majority of the C & C demographic would like to see fill the parking spots...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1978-FERRARI-308-GTB-US-CAR-ALL-MAITENANCE-RECORDS-U-S-/190474048756?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2c592354f4

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/66-Mustang-FULLY-RESTORED-CUSTOM-RESTOMOD-65-67-68-/170574059155?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27b7019693

Or whole row being molested by these...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2004-350Z-TOURING-NICE-RIMS-LAMBO-DOORS-MUST-SEE-/200547662153?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2eb1927949

I guess you really don't like 350Zs.....

they're not my first pick either, but thats just a personal opinion. I help run another car show that isn't open to all and has a specific year cut off and the single most difficult thing is to turn away cars that don't fit. It causes angry people that tend to make a big scene, and give a bad rep, and it causes horrible traffic problems at the gate. Then of course do you have a commitee to choose cars or is it one guy picking what he likes for everyone else to look at? it's a lot tougher than it sounds.

[Mr. Hollywood]

I guess you really don't like 350Zs.....

they're not my first pick either, but thats just a personal opinion. I help run another car show that isn't open to all and has a specific year cut off and the single most difficult thing is to turn away cars that don't fit. It causes angry people that tend to make a big scene, and give a bad rep, and it causes horrible traffic problems at the gate. Then of course do you have a commitee to choose cars or is it one guy picking what he likes for everyone else to look at? it's a lot tougher than it sounds.

350z's...Mustangs, Camaros, Vipers, Vettes or anything else with tasteless/poser modifications...that force themselves into venues like this.
Those types of cars/owners wouldn't even attempt to pull into the C&C in Cali.
Warm and fuzzy politically correct people pleasing sheeple is a huge problem these days. Too bad it has vomitted its way into the car hobby.

[JackG]

Well, I for one, think only sub six foot guys should be allowed.:D And, maybe almost bald.:hmmmm2:

Seriously though....I always have a great time regardless of the cars. After a few times attending, I've seen most all the cars several times. It's as much about visiting with the great folks with a common interest than seeing the cars again. I can genuinely say everyone I've ever encountered at the meet, spectator or exhibitor, has always been courteous and friendly. That means a lot to me. I've also heard many people discussing a somewhat "ordinary" car with the owner to learn something about their real-world experience with it. Valuable to some.

I'm just thankful that Classic (and in particular Pat Arnold) is content to host the meets and create somewhat of an institution for our area.:thumbsup2: As far as being restrictive in some of the ways mentioned....the more restrictive it gets, the more hassle to Classic it becomes. More people needed to check and enforce; more time to check and enforce. As someone who puts on an annual car show, I can attest to it being a very labor intensive endeavor and the more complicated it gets, the less likely it is to continue.

Jack

[Bokke]

Well, I for one, think only sub six foot guys should be allowed.:D And, maybe almost bald.:hmmmm2:

Seriously though....I always have a great time regardless of the cars. After a few times attending, I've seen most all the cars several times. It's as much about visiting with the great folks with a common interest than seeing the cars again. I can genuinely say everyone I've ever encountered at the meet, spectator or exhibitor, has always been courteous and friendly. That means a lot to me. I've also heard many people discussing a somewhat "ordinary" car with the owner to learn something about their real-world experience with it. Valuable to some.

I'm just thankful that Classic (and in particular Pat Arnold) is content to host the meets and create somewhat of an institution for our area.:thumbsup2: As far as being restrictive in some of the ways mentioned....the more restrictive it gets, the more hassle to Classic it becomes. More people needed to check and enforce; more time to check and enforce. As someone who puts on an annual car show, I can attest to it being a very labor intensive endeavor and the more complicated it gets, the less likely it is to continue.

Jack

Well put!:thumbsup2:

:beer:

[sgsuperman105]

I believe cars that are tracked should be the only vehicles on display and the rest stay home!! :)

:scared0016:

So if someone shows up with a pristine Model T Ford they aren't allowed in the show?

[BlackSheep]

There's the old saying "You can't polish a terd" and I believe you shouldn't bring that terd to a car show unless it is specifically for terds.. It does bother me quite a bit when I'm looking for a spot to park my car and there are cars that you could buy off craigslist for $500 that are keeping me from parking my car in the show.. Just my .02

[OKcruising]

If it was track only vehicles, then you'd need a whole section for truck/trailers to park... and some of those have more chrome than an entire Chrysler dealership :laugh:

[Revhead]

There's the old saying "You can't polish a terd" and I believe you shouldn't bring that terd to a car show unless it is specifically for terds.. It does bother me quite a bit when I'm looking for a spot to park my car and there are cars that you could buy off craigslist for $500 that are keeping me from parking my car in the show.. Just my .02

but since this car show doesn't specifically say "no turds" and there's no enforcement of "no turds" and it is free, and no one has to register, then technically no one has any more right to be there than the next guy. that's just the way I see it. Regardless of what kind of show it is supposed to be, unless there are stated rules, people will bring whatever they want and try to participate.

This last show I parked in the back as well, (who needs to see another GTO anyway, there's about a million of them there) but I enjoyed the show just as much.

[BlackBird007]

I think the only cars that should be allowed are mainly classics,exotics (Ferrari,Lambo,etc.),muscle (must be in good shape,as in,not rusty,running,and not falling apart),and some things that are "out of the ordinary",such as a Nissan Skyline GT-R or a Nissan S15 Silvia (which were only available in Japan).

The 911s and other Porsches that attend,I really dont mind them being there at all,considering Im a Porsche fan.

But yeah,it is a bit annoying to go there and see a whole row of stock (performance-wise) C6 Corvettes,or something else you see everyday.


Thats one reason why I like the event over at RUF better. Not as many cars show up there compared to C&C,but whatever shows up,is something "good". Since the event started in March of this year,I have only seen 2 Z06s there,one of which was sort of a track car. Hardly anything American (with the exception of a few Vipers and Ford GTs here and there) shows up.
Not saying C&C is a bad event,I still enjoy it when I do go. Its just that,I dont wanna waste my energy walking around to see stock C6s or anything like that.

[CTK]

I think the only cars that should be allowed are mainly classics,exotics (Ferrari,Lambo,etc.),muscle (must be in good shape,as in,not rusty,running,and not falling apart),and some things that are "out of the ordinary",such as a Nissan Skyline GT-R or a Nissan S15 Silvia (which were only available in Japan).

The 911s and other Porsches that attend,I really dont mind them being there at all,considering Im a Porsche fan.

But yeah,it is a bit annoying to go there and see a whole row of stock (performance-wise) C6 Corvettes,or something else you see everyday.


Thats one reason why I like the event over at RUF better. Not as many cars show up there compared to C&C,but whatever shows up,is something "good". Since the event started in March of this year,I have only seen 2 Z06s there,one of which was sort of a track car. Hardly anything American (with the exception of a few Vipers and Ford GTs here and there) shows up.
Not saying C&C is a bad event,I still enjoy it when I do go. Its just that,I dont wanna waste my energy walking around to see stock C6s or anything like that.

can you hang yourself your lambo will get spanked at a race track vsing my 1979 rx7 what a shame you would lose to a v8 just allow anyone

[sgsuperman105]

can you hang yourself your lambo will get spanked at a race track vsing my 1979 rx7 what a shame you would lose to a v8 just allow anyone

Just a heads up. This thread is about a car show, not a race.

[Mr. Hollywood]

can you hang yourself your lambo will get spanked at a race track vsing my 1979 rx7 what a shame you would lose to a v8 just allow anyone

Is Engrrrish your first language? :hmmmm2:

[Silentrun]

So if someone shows up with a pristine Model T Ford they aren't allowed in the show?

I was playing...chill :hmmmm2:

[fenderltd]

I just looked at pictures from c and c in Cali and was surprised I didn't see every car being a super exotic. Its not a race, it's a nice get together for anyone that loves cars and I'll continue to go with my somewhat stock M5 even though it's not a super car.

I've talked to a guy with a wrx sti for awhile and then with a guy who's got a Lamborghini it's all the same. To me everyone seems pretty laid back and enjoys cars just as much as the next guy or girl. It's a free event that accepts donations for a good cause. I can't see anything changing in the near future, so these posts don't mean too much!

[Mr. Hollywood]

I just looked at pictures from c and c in Cali and was surprised I didn't see every car being a super exotic.

Of course they're not all exotic.
But I bet you didn't see the Zclub of SoCal there either.
Or a bunch of 1/2 painted "restorations" and stockish production cars with lambo doors, with fart cans and curb feelers.

[fenderltd]

Of course they're not all exotic.
But I bet you didn't see the Zclub or SoCal there either.
Or a bunch of stockish production cars with lambo doors and fart cans.

I actually expected some serious low riders.:bandit: I didn't any 350z's.

I'm pretty neutral on the subject, lets just drink!:beer:

[RioGrandeValley]

RUF show many times better and my taste in cars. Even in that one my car and friends nicely modded Bimmer sat several hundred feet away from the main attraction. I know many cars way better than mine so I respectfully park far away and allow true nicer show worthy cars to park where they need be: at the car show lot. Like I told Hans, "Thank you for putting an excellent show."

[imaj]

Seriously though....I always have a great time regardless of the cars. After a few times attending, I've seen most all the cars several times. It's as much about visiting with the great folks with a common interest than seeing the cars again. I can genuinely say everyone I've ever encountered at the meet, spectator or exhibitor, has always been courteous and friendly. That means a lot to me. I've also heard many people discussing a somewhat "ordinary" car with the owner to learn something about their real-world experience with it. Valuable to some.
Jack

Clap, clap, clap! Well said Jack!

[calintexas]

"Cars and Coffee™ Dallas is a gathering of auto enthusiasts where hundreds of proud drivers will congregate to kick tires and have a cup of coffee. There will be something for everyone to enjoy; classics, exotics, concepts, hotrods, motorcycles and motor-sport." Sounds pretty inclusive to me.

I'm with Jack in that I think it's about people as well as cars. While I'm not that interested in new Mustangs, Corvettes, and Nissan Z's, I can understand that their owner's enjoy getting together, comparing their cars, and sharing experiences as I do with other BMW owners and the DFW Auto Club members that I've had the pleasure of meeting over the last several months. C&C provides a very convenient venue.

[mordor110]

"Cars and Coffee™ Dallas is a gathering of auto enthusiasts where hundreds of proud drivers will congregate to kick tires and have a cup of coffee. There will be something for everyone to enjoy; classics, exotics, concepts, hotrods, motorcycles and motor-sport." Sounds pretty inclusive to me.

I'm with Jack in that I think it's about people as well as cars. While I'm not that interested in new Mustangs, Corvettes, and Nissan Z's, I can understand that their owner's enjoy getting together, comparing their cars, and sharing experiences as I do with other BMW owners and the DFW Auto Club members that I've had the pleasure of meeting over the last several months. C&C provides a very convenient venue.

Well said. One of the things I thought was refreshing about C&C when I first went was the variety of cars (& people) all in one place. Wasn't just a bunch of guys with Camaro's & Firebirds, or "Stangs" or fart can & stickered up Civics, or bunch of Beamer guys, it was everyone! The smaller meets on the other weekends/weekdays of the month can cater to the niche groups. Plus as I'm sure many of us have here, I've been through my different phases of car types over my lifetime. (Not that I agree with a lot of the nonsense I see out there) There's so much there to see typically you don't have to look at what you don't have a taste for, there's plenty of other stuff.

[OKcruising]

can you hang yourself your lambo will get spanked at a race track vsing my 1979 rx7 what a shame you would lose to a v8 just allow anyone

Would LOVE to see that race if it ever happened... but you missed the point :(

[midnightdorifto]

Not sure what show some of the members in this thread went to, but this show is still the best in DFW in terms of variety and quality. And lack of hoonage/general mischief. Plus, it was really great seeing some of y'all out there (and I got a new tire hookup, thanks Brian!) I always have a blast coming out here, it's safe to say that it's usually my favorite time of month. I'd say I'm sorry that some of the 500+ cars out there aren't to the taste of some of the members, but that's absurd. The majority of the stuff out there is quality (I keep my stockish C6 parked in spectator, thanks kindly).

I suspect that the majority of the frustration arises from the parking issue to which I can say that there's an easy solution - wake up and get there early. If my hungover self can get there by 7:45 when there is plentiful parking, I'm sure some of you responsible adults can manage the same.

Oh, and if someone is a member on here with a red car with "GODZLA" plates, my ego thanks you for taking it easy on me. :whistle:

[midnightdorifto]

Drew...seems like you've been quiet lately. Work keeping you too busy? :questionmark:
Working me to the bone, good sir. Busy season got an early jump on me. This spring is going to be a good one though. A DD should be procured by the time spring rolls around, which means more fun out in the sticks!

[TXS2000]

My son and I got to the event quite late, 10:30ish. But we still had a good time with the cars that were left. Amazing when the crowd thins this much by 10:30!!

[SuperFrogM3]

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[BlackBird007]

To get off this arguing a bit...will there be one in January?

Because the first Saturday in January happens to fall on New Years Day...

[midnightdorifto]

To get off this arguing a bit...will there be one in January?

Because the first Saturday in January happens to fall on New Years Day...
Yes, I talked to one of the organizers there on my way out and he indicated that there would be one on New Year's Day. If I'm not at the Rose Bowl, I might show up...

[quikag]

My arbitrary figure earlier in this thread of $70k minimum and/or significantly modified was a veiled attempt to exclude completely stock C6's, 350/370Z's, Boxsters, Mustangs, Camaros, etc. I have a stock (exterior) C6 and I wouldn't want to go to a car show and look at 25 stock C6's. It's just not that exciting. Go to Classic Chevy or Frank Parra instead.

I have no problem parking in spectator parking and saving the 'show spots' for more interesting hardware. A modified car, even a Mustang/Camaro/Z/C6 that is interesting should certainly park in show parking. Heck, a $5k Honda S600 should park in the show parking because it's unique and rare like one I saw a few months back. Price isn't the main determinant; it's rarity, uniqueness, and exclusitivity.

Of course, my opinion is worth about zero, but I wanted to clarify my earlier comment. Stay warm!

Corey

[CTK]

Lol... anyone with a exotic wanna race me at a autocross for fun? ill race anyone im not that great but i like to race! So... yeah i just dont like it when people have super expensive cars saying dont bring this or that because i think it limits possibilities thats all.. and i dont street race or drag race alot... but my car has done 11.35-11.2 range with drag radials but i dont like to drag race personally.... well if i do like it more then autocrossing i might go turbo and bore up to around 390-400 cu in... im still new to racing just used to kart when i was a kid... and really looking forward to my first race with slicks since slicks make it that much more faster im using hoosier r6's to learn in and will get hoosier a6's when im ready for a real try at it

[CTK]

im parking in visitor parking by the way... i will ALWAYS.... its stripped interior weighing 2,500 lbs with driver and yeah... i just didnt know there were spectators are their judges too? because i didnt know there were actual spectators

[imaj]

:dontknow:

[Mr. Hollywood]

Lol... anyone with a exotic wanna race me at a autocross for fun? ill race anyone im not that great but i like to race! So... yeah i just dont like it when people have super expensive cars saying dont bring this or that because i think it limits possibilities thats all.. and i dont street race or drag race alot... but my car has done 11.35-11.2 range with drag radials but i dont like to drag race personally.... well if i do like it more then autocrossing i might go turbo and bore up to around 390-400 cu in... im still new to racing just used to kart when i was a kid... and really looking forward to my first race with slicks since slicks make it that much more faster im using hoosier r6's to learn in and will get hoosier a6's when im ready for a real try at it

im parking in visitor parking by the way... i will ALWAYS.... its stripped interior weighing 2,500 lbs with driver and yeah... i just didnt know there were spectators are their judges too? because i didnt know there were actual spectators

Holy Hell.

[tsaleen]

C&C Houston Vid

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Go here to Jalopnik (http://jalopnik.com/5706843/bad-drivers-are-killing-cars--coffee?skyline=true&s=i) to read a short synopsis about the error and Cars and Coffee heritage.

[sgsuperman105]

Forgot to post this in all the mayhem of price restrictions and car bashing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG1e-rw-Kog

My usual highlights video. Enjoy.

[Invisibra_Norm]

That is my car and it happens to be a restoration project.

First, I'll say that I was vague enough about the car I was describing to say I might not have meant your car. There were many Nissans on site (Including mine, which is in reality a Nissan.)

Secondly, I'm sorry if you took offense, as that was not what I wanted. I have been there when some teenagers in a rough looking car (Staying totally generic from now on) parked somewhat diagonally in the viewing parking lot, & then ran off to drool on the Italian car lineup. They were taking up space (2), not adding to the show in general. When people are double & triple parked by 10:00, you really don't like it when space is used by cars that are filling the mall parking lot any day of the week.

A restoration project is different, and I'll look forward to seeing your project advance. (You will have to tell me which is your car in the future, because I'm not SURE I saw it at C&C ;) )

[sgsuperman105]

First, I'll say that I was vague enough about the car I was describing to say I might not have meant your car. There were many Nissans on site (Including mine, which is in reality a Nissan.)

Secondly, I'm sorry if you took offense, as that was not what I wanted. I have been there when some teenagers in a rough looking car (Staying totally generic from now on) parked somewhat diagonally in the viewing parking lot, & then ran off to drool on the Italian car lineup. They were taking up space (2), not adding to the show in general. When people are double & triple parked by 10:00, you really don't like it when space is used by cars that are filling the mall parking lot any day of the week.

A restoration project is different, and I'll look forward to seeing your project advance. (You will have to tell me which is your car in the future, because I'm not SURE I saw it at C&C ;) )

No worries. The car you described was mine haha. Bad paint, jacked up quarter panel. Yup :laugh:

I just wanted to clarify why there was a slightly rusty Nissan parked in the show. I was considering printing out signs to put in the window, I think now I will do that in order to avoid confusion.

I am a little stuck on what I want to do with the paint though. I am considering the original paint or the SCCA red top/white sides paint job used on the old Datsun race car.

[JackG]

No worries. The car you described was mine haha. Bad paint, jacked up quarter panel. Yup :laugh:

I just wanted to clarify why there was a slightly rusty Nissan parked in the show. I was considering printing out signs to put in the window, I think now I will do that in order to avoid confusion.

I am a little stuck on what I want to do with the paint though. I am considering the original paint or the SCCA red top/white sides paint job used on the old Datsun race car.

A tribute to Paul Newman's #33 race car would be pretty cool if done in a subtle way. I've got a bunch of photos of it in a book about Paul Newman's racing life if you'd like to see it. Back in "the day" Don Devendorf and Tony Adamowitz really hauled arse in their Datsun race cars. When they were right, they would kick almost anyone's rear.

Jack

[CTK]

how do you fail in a straight line like that viper did? is it just by excessive horsepower... because in my 400+ hp '79 rx7 i can do a burnout and move the rear end side to side without crashing.... but that viper might have double the horsepower i got or something so his car might be harder to control and a tip to that guy in the viper would when it starts to go sideways let go of throttle... that works for me alot but i never failed like he did

[JackG]

how do you fail in a straight line like that viper did? is it just by excessive horsepower... because in my 400+ hp '79 rx7 i can do a burnout and move the rear end side to side without crashing.... but that viper might have double the horsepower i got or something so his car might be harder to control and a tip to that guy in the viper would when it starts to go sideways let go of throttle... that works for me alot but i never failed like he did


1. Definition of "RED MIST":

A feeling of extreme competitiveness or anger that temporarily clouds one's judgment.
When that guy cut me off, the red mist washed over and all I could think about was catching him.

Put a bunch of buddies on fast bikes and just watch the red mist rise...

[CTK]

1. Definition of "RED MIST":

A feeling of extreme competitiveness or anger that temporarily clouds one's judgment.
When that guy cut me off, the red mist washed over and all I could think about was catching him.

Put a bunch of buddies on fast bikes and just watch the red mist rise...

im lost... Lol its ok though... i didnt mean to flame that guy before... but your losing me on this red mist stuff

[MisterTwo]

:hmmmm2:

[kba]

This threads funny, its changed topics numerous times. Sooo, what do you guys think of space travel?

[RioGrandeValley]

The space continueum is dependent on how many banana peels are forcefully induced at maximum velocity into the flux capacitor. Hope that answers your question!

[JackG]

im lost... Lol its ok though... i didnt mean to flame that guy before... but your losing me on this red mist stuff

Red Mist is a motorsports term (probably used otherwise as well) describing when someone's competitive juices outweigh their judgement. When you see an idiotic move in racing on tv, it is sometimes attributed to "red mist". You seemed puzzled why the guy lost control of his car. Red mist stuff.

Jack

[citylightva]

im lost... Lol its ok though... i didnt mean to flame that guy before... but your losing me on this red mist stuff

Who are you..?

C & C has become pretty boring since all I see are the same blah cars most times...Though there is usually 1 car i want to see, but out of whatever numbers they keep throwing out (600-800) that's kinda sad...Oh well, I park spectator, I could care less about "showing" my sedan, and I mostly go just to see certain people not even look at half the hoopty whips on the lot...I guess it was nice that the one guy brought his '11 GT500 so I could look at it...

[CTK]

Red Mist is a motorsports term (probably used otherwise as well) describing when someone's competitive juices outweigh their judgement. When you see an idiotic move in racing on tv, it is sometimes attributed to "red mist". You seemed puzzled why the guy lost control of his car. Red mist stuff.

Jack

thank you for explaining now i got a new word in my vocab! my warmup in autocrossing might be red mist since i rarely drive the car (trying to keep it as long as possible) and i might hit a cone since i dont know the dimensions of the car too well yet but ill learn after a few races here and there

[BlackSheep]

how do you fail in a straight line like that viper did? is it just by excessive horsepower... because in my 400+ hp '79 rx7 i can do a burnout and move the rear end side to side without crashing.... but that viper might have double the horsepower i got or something so his car might be harder to control and a tip to that guy in the viper would when it starts to go sideways let go of throttle... that works for me alot but i never failed like he did

It's pretty tricky in the left lane w/ 700hp and an irs.. There is uneven pavement there that will definitely test a drivers skill.. I'm sure with only 400hp and not as long gears as a Viper, it wouldn't be as hard to stay straight there.. regardless, the guy was a total tool bag.. Stay to the right to do a burn out if that's your thing, you will have a better chance of survival.

[citylightva]

Unless the bike cop is sitting in the middle between the service road and the on ramp like he was around 11:00...

[sgsuperman105]

A tribute to Paul Newman's #33 race car would be pretty cool if done in a subtle way. I've got a bunch of photos of it in a book about Paul Newman's racing life if you'd like to see it. Back in "the day" Don Devendorf and Tony Adamowitz really hauled arse in their Datsun race cars. When they were right, they would kick almost anyone's rear.

Jack

Hmmmm. I just looked up that paint job and I think if I just stuck with the colors it would be a nice look. Might add some stuff to it like my name over the drivers side door.

[BlackBird007]

A tribute to Paul Newman's #33 race car would be pretty cool if done in a subtle way.

+1.