Boss Laguna Seca

[GTCole]

Does anyone know where one of these bad boys can be bought? At MSRP? I'm reading on forums that dealers are selling for this. Fubar, I know you wil gasp, but I want one for the track and street having fun. Rare too. Actually, myself and Schillster are trying to by a couple. We had 2 bought at North Central Ford for $500 under MSRP, then the GM later realized he was only getting one, and then he got greedy. Which pissed me off. Bad business.

[trentor]

It's good to see Ford doing things right again. That car is impressive and quite a bargain for what you get. Good luck in the search. I'll ask around a bit and let you know if I get any feedback.

[GTCole]

Gracias.

[T.J.]

Those new Bosses look awesome, Ford is definitely impressing me, not to mention the new 5.0 Mustang which is a BEAST as well.

[GTCole]

Yep. I want the Daddy. Ford is being very Porschelike in some ways.

[citylightva]

I haven't seen one anywhere yet...Park Cities has a non Laguna Seca Boss (boring) If you find a place, let me know...I still love that car and it came out earlier than I thought it would...

[GTCole]

Post pics. They look great. Wish blue was in the LS package. It would be mine. Black or Silver are only options for LS package with red wheels.

[citylightva]

Yeah i noticed that when I was building one...I do like the silver with red though...I'll take some tonight...I just saw it when I was driving by the dealer other night...

[GTCole]

Cool. Can't wait to see.

[Zinia]

http://mustangsdaily.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/24-2012-boss-302-lineup.jpg

http://mustangsdaily.com/blog/2011/02/25/photo-gallery-2012-mustang-boss-302-lineup/

[GTCole]

Wow.

[JackG]

Wow.

Wow Indeed! Make mine blue/white accent!

Jack

[J-son]

looks great. good luck!

[GTCole]

Gonna need it. Not sure where to find 2 of em. Blue looks best, but you can't get in LS. Crud.

[trentor]

It may be a shot in the dark, but here's the only lead I got from anyone.

"His best bet is 5 Star Ford in Carrollton...ask for BJ Reynolds (888) 478-0654...his dad has the Car-Pro show on AM820 on Sat Mornings."

[citylightva]

Never mind...I saw a blue 5.0 with black wheels from the back and thought it was the Boss fordvehicles.com says Park Cities has in stock...They said "Ha, we haven't seen one yet. It's looking like September" dammnnn all

[citylightva]

I do love the LS...Just swap the suspension and it's good to go...Like you Chuck, I'm not too keen on over paying for a $48K Mustang though...

[GTCole]

The blue paint job is a Boss, just not the Laguna car.
Ain't no way I'm paying over for a Ford. Mustang included. This isn't rare like the GT.

[T.J.]

Do you expect the stock Boss to even come close to the performance on a track of your GT3 (won't even ask on the GT2 RS since you aren't tracking that one)?

[GTCole]

Do you expect the stock Boss to even come close to the performance on a track of your GT3 (won't even ask on the GT2 RS since you aren't tracking that one)?

Damn close. My GT3 has about 465 HP. I'm not the greatest driver. I have raced at HMSR at a NASA event 2 Mustang 5.0 cars that had slicks and suspension done, and maybe more, but not much. They were NOT an easy chase down and pass. I was amazed. Once they were going, they ran good. The LS has 440 HP, and it's not expensive in a Ford to up the HP. I would do that in a jiffy.

[T.J.]

Damn close. My GT3 has about 465 HP. I'm not the greatest driver. I have raced at HMSR at a NASA event 2 Mustang 5.0 cars that had slicks and suspension done, and maybe more, but not much. They were NOT an easy chase down and pass. I was amazed. Once they were going, they ran good. The LS has 440 HP, and it's not expensive in a Ford to up the HP. I would do that in a jiffy.

Horsepower-wise, similar, but the GT3 weighs 3075 lbs (not sure the weight distribution) where the Laguna Seca is 3,637 with a 55 / 45 weight distribution, so quite a bit heavier... I'd just be shocked if it was a close performance on the track given the differences in price and the fact that both are built for the track in mind. But I've never driven either so that's all just speculation on my part.

[GTCole]

I agree, but it's hugely impressive in speed in comparison to dollars versus the GT3.

[citylightva]

Horsepower-wise, similar, but the GT3 weighs 3075 lbs (not sure the weight distribution) where the Laguna Seca is 3,637 with a 55 / 45 weight distribution, so quite a bit heavier... I'd just be shocked if it was a close performance on the track given the differences in price and the fact that both are built for the track in mind. But I've never driven either so that's all just speculation on my part.

Where do they have the stripped out LS at only 200lb. less than a GT500..?? It's also pretty easy and cheap to drop close to 100lb. off the nose of the Mustangs these day...

Funny is, last night I built a GT Premium up on Ford and it ended up over $40K...Loaded though...

[T.J.]

Where do they have the stripped out LS at only 200lb. less than a GT500..?? It's also pretty easy and cheap to drop close to 100lb. off the nose of the Mustangs these day...

Funny is, last night I built a GT Premium up on Ford and it ended up over $40K...Loaded though...

http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2012_Mustang_Boss_LS_Specs.pdf

See page 3

[citylightva]

http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2012_Mustang_Boss_LS_Specs.pdf

See page 3

Hmmm that makes it a bit less appealing...They list the GT500 at 3820, and you could probably pull 50-75 of that out of the interior...I still love the way the LS looks though, and 7500 rpm of American V8 woot...

[GTCole]

I think it runs better than ya'll give it credit. 3600 lbs is heavy, but in motion it's different. The Porsche will win out of corners, but a good driver can fix that. Porsche easily takes the 0-60, but who cares about that.

[citylightva]

Oh, you're getting me wrong Chuck. I think it will definitely hold it's own on track against cars costing 2-3x as much. I was just surprised it still weighs that much. It's pretty stripped out, but I guess all the bracing they put on probably added some back.

What kind of time frame have they been telling you for delivery..? I've heard late summer/early fall twice now :(

You could always go complete sleeper and turbo-charge or super-charge the V6. I saw one put down over 400 to the wheels.

[T.J.]

I think it runs better than ya'll give it credit. 3600 lbs is heavy, but in motion it's different. The Porsche will win out of corners, but a good driver can fix that. Porsche easily takes the 0-60, but who cares about that.

Hey my M3 is 3600 lbs and it handles great, so I'm not knocking the weight. Hell GTR's are 4000 lbs and handle pretty good for being such beasts as well. I'm just saying, Boss vs GT3 with similar horsepower numbers the weight will be the big difference in track performance between them. And I'm guessing the GT3 also has a better suspension as well being that it is well over 2 times the cost.

[citylightva]

Hey my M3 is 3600 lbs and it handles great, so I'm not knocking the weight. Hell GTR's are 4000 lbs and handle pretty good for being such beasts as well. I'm just saying, Boss vs GT3 with similar horsepower numbers the weight will be the big difference in track performance between them. And I'm guessing the GT3 also has a better suspension as well being that it is well over 2 times the cost.

Maybe better in some regards (brand names, etc.), but the Laguna Seca is fully adjustable. That being said I think the brakes and suspension would be the first two things I'd change. Nice set of Eibach R2 coilovers and some AP Brakes would be just about right for me...

[GTCole]

Oh, you're getting me wrong Chuck. I think it will definitely hold it's own on track against cars costing 2-3x as much. I was just surprised it still weighs that much. It's pretty stripped out, but I guess all the bracing they put on probably added some back.

What kind of time frame have they been telling you for delivery..? I've heard late summer/early fall twice now :(

You could always go complete sleeper and turbo-charge or super-charge the V6. I saw one put down over 400 to the wheels.

IDK. I'm just trying to buy one.:driver:

[AlexD]

I know the guys at Bankston Ford pretty well and they said they were lucky to get 1 of them in (they won it in a contest or something). I told him what you wanted and he recommended calling every for dealer you can. He said theirs was sold before it arrived.

[trentor]

Regarding all the HP talk, keep in mind Ford is treating the Mustang like old-school muscle with conservative power numbers. Most every dyno sheet I've seen for stock 5.0 Mustangs has in the range of 360 to 400 rwhp. I don't care what Ford advertises. There's no way it's only a 414hp motor. :)

I'm also a little baffled about the LS weight. With the stripped interior and the 5.0 being lighter than the 4.6, it seems heavy for that car. My 4 door G35 weighs less.

[T.J.]

Regarding all the HP talk, keep in mind Ford is treating the Mustang like old-school muscle with conservative power numbers. Most every dyno sheet I've seen for stock 5.0 Mustangs has in the range of 360 to 400 rwhp. I don't care what Ford advertises. There's no way it's only a 414hp motor. :)

I'm also a little baffled about the LS weight. With the stripped interior and the 5.0 being lighter than the 4.6, it seems heavy for that car. My 4 door G35 weighs less.

Yeah I ran against a new 5.0 in the quarter and that thing was putting down low 12's with street tires and basic mods (intake). I'm sure the Boss will be throwing down great numbers, but yeah, the weight was a little surprising to me as well.

[citylightva]

Actually they just got a white one at Park Cities I'm going to look at tonight...Not LS, just want so see it up close...

[citylightva]

Here you go Chuck...It actually had the LS front buckets in it...

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o31/citylightva/aa8987d0.jpg
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o31/citylightva/1a914471.jpg
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o31/citylightva/456b82be.jpg
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o31/citylightva/92c93bff.jpg

[TomBoy]

Not too shab... Brings back a lot of good memories for an old Ford guy. I really like the blue/white 'Peter Revson' model though. Hmmm.. Maybe we should call Ford and do a big group buy and trade in some 'Euro-trash'. Would be some good PR for Ford, but don't know if I could deal with all my bud's acusing me of buying another 'mid-life crisis' toy...

[tsaleen]

Sorry I'm just seeing this thread. I was emailed photo's earlier this week from the Ford dealer of Plano (Sam Pack Five Star Ford formerly Middlekauff Ford). The Corey was the first to get the Boss in the DFW area and they are getting a LS very soon.

[trentor]

great pics. It brings the eternal question to mind of why Ford insists on a stance similar to their 4x4 trucks. Of all things, I wouldn't have expected the Boss to ride that freakin high.

[GTCole]

Sam Pack got an LS the other day. Silver w/red. It was never PDI'd and went straight to Sam's personal auto collection. Not for sale.
I've been offered 2 for sale. I'm thinking. Not sure I want to pay over. A dealer is Houston is calling with an offer as well.

[TomBoy]

Silver/Red. Wow. Sounds pretty. Did not know they were going to make that combo. Will have to search for it on the WWW, se if I can find any pics. I'm thinking wait 6 months, let some production changes/improvements be made and people get tired of their new toy and you'll see quite a few show up on the used market for a deal and dealers will have excess new cars on their lots.

[GTCole]

^I'm considering that.
Silver with Red and Black with Red are only 2 colors available in the LS

[Brett]

^I'm considering that.
Silver with Red and Black with Red are only 2 colors available in the LS

IMHO ... do it.

This is the sort of car you can have a blast with and not have invoices floating around in your head in case something happens. Would maybe do some minor things and beat the HELL out of it on the track. Like a red-headed step-child ... every weekend.




Also to the previous weight comments... ACRX has to run at 3500lbs in spec form and can pull off laps deep into the 1:13's at MSR-C. :whistle:

[citylightva]

Now that I've seen it, I'd probably be happy with a normal Boss 302 with the Recaros and throw the $7000 into the suspension etc. myself.

My weight comment wasn't that it was too big to run well, I was just surprised it's only 200 less than the GT500. I guess that supercharged lump isn't as bad as most people think.

[Brett]

Now that I've seen it, I'd probably be happy with a normal Boss 302 with the Recaros and throw the $7000 into the suspension etc. myself.

My weight comment wasn't that it was too big to run well, I was just surprised it's only 200 less than the GT500. I guess that supercharged lump isn't as bad as most people think.

My understanding is they are actually using aluminum blocks in the GT500's now which significantly cut down on the weight. :ahhhhh:

I did read somewhere that the GT500 was not that much faster around the track. I believe the 5.0 was four and a half seconds slower around VIR than the new GT500. I'd assume the Boss would be somewhere in between the two?

[tsaleen]

I did read somewhere that the GT500 was not that much faster around the track. I believe the 5.0 was four and a half seconds slower around VIR than the new GT500. I'd assume the Boss would be somewhere in between the two?

You are correct. Here are numbers from Laguna Seca Race track.
(reference: http://clublexus.com/forums (http://clublexus.com/forums/car-chat/557772-ford-mustang-boss-302-beats-nissan-gt-r-laguna-seca.html))

Laguna Seca, USA (3602 m)
3. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 1:35.80
4. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Carbon 1:37.40
5. Porsche 997 Turbo facelift 1:37.80
6. Porsche 997 GT3 1:39.52
7. Porsche 997 Turbo 1:39.89
8. Porsche 997 Turbo S 1:40.11
9. Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI 1:40.20
10. Ford Mustang Boss 302 1:40.21
11. Nissan GT-R 1:40.45
12. Mercedes SLS AMG 1:40.74
13. Audi R8 4.2 FSI quattro 1:40.75
14. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1:40.90
15. BMW M3 (E92) 1:42.96

Here is the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxEhnugwzCc

[Malu59RT]

You are correct. Here are numbers from Laguna Seca Race track.
(reference: http://clublexus.com/forums (http://clublexus.com/forums/car-chat/557772-ford-mustang-boss-302-beats-nissan-gt-r-laguna-seca.html))

Laguna Seca, USA (3602 m)
1. Dodge Viper ACR 1:33
3. Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 1:35.80
4. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 Carbon 1:37.40
5. Porsche 997 Turbo facelift 1:37.80
6. Porsche 997 GT3 1:39.52
7. Porsche 997 Turbo 1:39.89
8. Porsche 997 Turbo S 1:40.11
9. Audi R8 V10 5.2 FSI 1:40.20
10. Ford Mustang Boss 302 1:40.21
11. Nissan GT-R 1:40.45
12. Mercedes SLS AMG 1:40.74
13. Audi R8 4.2 FSI quattro 1:40.75
14. Chevrolet Corvette Z06 1:40.90
15. BMW M3 (E92) 1:42.96

Fixed for accuracy

[BlackSheep]

Is there any times on the Grand Sport Corvette on Laguna Seca?

[Brett]

Is there any times on the Grand Sport Corvette on Laguna Seca?

I don't have times for Laguna Seca, but C&D keeps a nice list of their VIR tests...


http://www.caranddriver.com/features/10q4/lightning_lap_2011-feature/sortable_times_3a_complete_lightning_lap_times_200 6_to_2011_page_8

[BlackSheep]

Wow.. Ranks better than I thought.. It's as fast as a Z06.. and only 1.4 behind a GT2 on a 3min course.. I wish they came out with those a year earlier, I would of loved a cyber gray one.

[BlackSheep]

a set of coilovers on that car and a cam with headers would wreck shop I think..

[Brett]

a set of coilovers on that car and a cam with headers would wreck shop I think..

Thinking about pulling a Kumar?

[citylightva]

My understanding is they are actually using aluminum blocks in the GT500's now which significantly cut down on the weight. :ahhhhh:

I did read somewhere that the GT500 was not that much faster around the track. I believe the 5.0 was four and a half seconds slower around VIR than the new GT500. I'd assume the Boss would be somewhere in between the two?

Yeah, they dropped 100 pounds off the nose...

[GTCole]

A 1:40 for the cost of the Boss beats all of em.

I never pay attention to track times due to not knowing who drove the car. Really needs to be the same guy running each car after spending hours learning each.
Tons of cars missing from list.

[BlackSheep]

[QUOTE=GTCole;54614]A 1:40 for the cost of the Boss beats all of em.

I never pay attention to track times due to not knowing who drove the car. QUOTE]

So if you never pay attention to track times why does the time of the GT matter for the cost? :whistle:

You can get a Grand Sport for the same price as a Laguna Seca GT and I'm sure it will run circles around one.. spend $3,500 and put a cam and headers and coilovers on it and make 525hp weighing 3,200 lbs.. deadly track car with maintenance costs a lot lower than a modular ford.. :whistle:

[GTCole]

^I agree. You make a good point. I just meant a 1:40 was good compared to what a Z06 ran or a ZR1. Plus there were very many cars not listed that could do better. People sometimes get on the "lap time" bandwagon and think their car is better because it does a 1/4 second better on a lap. There are just too many factors that play into all that to start making lists on track times.

[citylightva]

[QUOTE=GTCole;54614]A 1:40 for the cost of the Boss beats all of em.

I never pay attention to track times due to not knowing who drove the car. QUOTE]

So if you never pay attention to track times why does the time of the GT matter for the cost? :whistle:

You can get a Grand Sport for the same price as a Laguna Seca GT and I'm sure it will run circles around one.. spend $3,500 and put a cam and headers and coilovers on it and make 525hp weighing 3,200 lbs.. deadly track car with maintenance costs a lot lower than a modular ford.. :whistle:

Maybe a used Grand Sport...I've already seen people get a lot of power out of the new 5.0 too...plus you get a decent interior :whistle:

[Brett]

^I agree. You make a good point. I just meant a 1:40 was good compared to what a Z06 ran or a ZR1. Plus there were very many cars not listed that could do better. People sometimes get on the "lap time" bandwagon and think their car is better because it does a 1/4 second better on a lap. There are just too many factors that play into all that to start making lists on track times.

I assume this was directed elsewhere?



Maybe a used Grand Sport...I've already seen people get a lot of power out of the new 5.0 too...plus you get a decent interior :whistle:

Hey now ... don't hate on interiors. One was just built with a more ballsy purpose. :p


A 1:40 for the cost of the Boss beats all of em.

I never pay attention to track times due to not knowing who drove the car.

So if you never pay attention to track times why does the time of the GT matter for the cost? :whistle:

You can get a Grand Sport for the same price as a Laguna Seca GT and I'm sure it will run circles around one.. spend $3,500 and put a cam and headers and coilovers on it and make 525hp weighing 3,200 lbs.. deadly track car with maintenance costs a lot lower than a modular ford.. :whistle:

Do it!

...and start coming out with us!

[GTCole]

Do what? Come out where? Funny.

[Silentrun]

I like Eurotrash...not the music though. Lot to be said on the Boss, but it's a FORD!!!:scared0016: Where is a comparison of the new Camaro against the new Boss?

[TomBoy]

Don't get me wrong.. that was tongue-in-cheek.. I've had enough of both to know which side of the line to stay on for a fun/safe DD!

[Silentrun]

My DD is a 2008 Chevy Tahoe...not the Porsche. I have thought long and hard about the monies spent on German engineering vs. what is available here in the US and we are getting better. Sucks that UAW is talking about strike now that Ford is back in the black, they should have profit sharing not entitlement imho.

[TomBoy]

Yea.. My wife grew up in Detroit, moved away in 1979, but she still shakes her head (at their mentality). Still has a lot of family up there. They just don't seem to 'get it' for some reason; seems like they all work against each other instead of doing things to make the City and the industry better. With all the tools and capabilities we have available to us, we should just 'kill it', but we seem to have lost the desire or ingenuity.

[GTCole]

Well said by both of you. I do think Ford is doing the most right.

[Brett]

Do what? Come out where? Funny.

Answer is no I guess. :p





The come out thing was at Jay ... have a little group that goes out on member days ... if he did get something like a Grand Sport I'm saying he'd be more than welcome to come. Hopefully, come summer, when people stop breaking things (ugh) it can be more regular.

[Brett]

My DD is a 2008 Chevy Tahoe...not the Porsche. I have thought long and hard about the monies spent on German engineering vs. what is available here in the US and we are getting better. Sucks that UAW is talking about strike now that Ford is back in the black, they should have profit sharing not entitlement imho.

Being on the domestic side of the fence, I will simply say that at the end of the day that money does go somewhere. Two of my friends have GT3s, and while now I'm not sure either of them is faster, at the end of the day it's still a nice car and very hospitable on the way home. Contrast that to a hot, musky, bumpy, rumbly, loud ride home where the radio isn't reaaaally all that useful ... and you start to wonder if it's worth it. Also, they can run blistering times while being next to stock. I'm not exactly heavily modified, but enough to where little things come up from time to time. There have been several times I've considered going to the dentist-ridden dark side that is p-car land ... and not touching a damn thing on the car.

And I am ashamed. :(

Well said by both of you. I do think Ford is doing the most right.

I think it's a positive sign that despite everything both in terms of the economy and environmental politics, the hobby will be alive and kicking for years to come.

[OKcruising]

Hopefully, come summer, when people stop breaking things (ugh) it can be more regular.

That was explicitly aimed at me... and corvettes, or more appropriately GM.

I can't help that I gotta fix what ain't up to par :p

[Brett]

That was explicitly aimed at me... and corvettes, or more appropriately GM.

I can't help that I gotta fix what ain't up to par :p

You ... are 25% of the issue ... speaking in terms of KABOOMs ... in the past year. :whistle:

[Piloti]

Nice video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kB1G-8J2Jag

[Silentrun]

All that for less than a 1/3 of the RS...

[nash]

All that for less than a 1/3 of the RS...

Don't get any crazy thoughts... refill that glass of Kool-Aid :)

[Silentrun]

No changes here...but it does make you think

[Zinia]

I might be in the minority but not a big fan of the look.

[citylightva]

Hey now ... don't hate on interiors. One was just built with a more ballsy purpose. :p

:D Tis true...The only seats out of all these cars I would keep in for the track are the Laguna Seca's Recaros...It is funny when people start comparing a pony car to Vipers and Vettes...Guess that proves Ford is doing something right and jumping up sports car brackets :dontknow:

[citylightva]

I might be in the minority but not a big fan of the look.

I normally wouldn't like all the flash, but something about the Laguna Seca just looks right to me...

[GTCole]

No changes here...but it does make you think

Yes it does.

[Brett]

:D Tis true...The only seats out of all these cars I would keep in for the track are the Laguna Seca's Recaros...It is funny when people start comparing a pony car to Vipers and Vettes...Guess that proves Ford is doing something right and jumping up sports car brackets :dontknow:

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa.

Slow down. :argh:



I should make clear, as the threads most active Viper guy and as the assumed speaker for my colleagues of the same description, that we were only acknowledging that the Boss was performing admittedly well, for a Mustang. Now, I can't speak for those degenerate 'Vette guys, and should they feel compelled to bear such a comparison I will not judge them so harshly, but any and all acknowledgements on their part should solely be attributed to them. We will never be grouped in with either of the two groups of scallywags in question! :eviltongue:

[Silentrun]

I see Mustangs, Camaros and Vettes still competing professional level...where are the vipers? :whistle:

[Brett]

I see Mustangs, Camaros and Vettes still competing professional level...where are the vipers? :whistle:

Eligibility on grounds of either the age of the Viper CC or displacement ineligibility. Not our fault everyone else was 'askurred. 8.4 liters tends to have that effect. :cool:

5.5 liters is just so itty bitty!

[Brett]

Somewhere, somehow, Fubar is feeling a disturbance in the Force.

"Don't get him started!"

[GTCole]

Another thread way off topic. Nice post by Robert on the track run.

[citylightva]

Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa.

Slow down. :argh:



I should make clear, as the threads most active Viper guy and as the assumed speaker for my colleagues of the same description, that we were only acknowledging that the Boss was performing admittedly well, for a Mustang. Now, I can't speak for those degenerate 'Vette guys, and should they feel compelled to bear such a comparison I will not judge them so harshly, but any and all acknowledgements on their part should solely be attributed to them. We will never be grouped in with either of the two groups of scallywags in question! :eviltongue:



Hahahaha Oh well then no offense Brett...:D I would still actually take an ACR as the ultimate value track car any day. I just don't even have $100K for it :laugh: Beating up a pretty damn good Mustang for $45-50K on track sounds much better to my brain...

[Brett]

Hahahaha Oh well then no offense Brett...:D I would still actually take an ACR as the ultimate value track car any day. I just don't even have $100K for it :laugh: Beating up a pretty damn good Mustang for $45-50K on track sounds much better to my brain...

I was kidding...

Don't get me wrong they look like very strong cars, and just as all the p-car guys are subject to dentistry and porcupine jokes, when you get one you will be subject to Mustang and mullet jokes. It's life. :p



I'd find Merc jokes to use against you, but I drive one too. :banghead:

[citylightva]

I was kidding...

Don't get me wrong they look like very strong cars, and just as all the p-car guys are subject to dentistry and porcupine jokes, when you get one you will be subject to Mustang and mullet jokes. It's life. :p



I'd find Merc jokes to use against you, but I drive one too. :banghead:

It's all good we're just a couple Nazi lovers :laugh: Oh I got all the Stang jokes back in the day...I bought 2 in a row at 17 and 19...Yeehaw..!! It was amazing how fast you could make a Fox for not much dough...

But seriously, if I could ever find a line on a heavily discounted ACR I'd think hard...Viper's aren't my favorite cars, but something about those make me want one the most for a track car...

[TomBoy]

I'll try to 'tug' this thread back in line a little...

When are we going to get back to (real) TransAm racing? Old school style. IMO, that was the best; that and the Saturday/Sunday SCCA stuff they did out at the old Greater Southwest Airport or Green Valley's road course for example.

The timing is perfect... We have the right mix of (retro) american iron muscle.. Plus, the NASCAR stuff just bores the hell outta me (jellybean cars). Indy & Cart, too much politic's, too much money and way too much in the way of electronics.. Give me back TransAm.. (Actually, I'd take the old unlimited CanAmCars/series, but that ain't gonna happen either!). Let the drivers (really) be the deciding factor...not the budget!

[nash]

Here you go, only $108k on eBay... LOL

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2012-BOSS-302-LEGUNA-SECA-33-0F-750-/180647272684?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2a0f6aa0ec#ht_16075wt_1165

[citylightva]

I would just love to ask someone in a serious manner how they came up with $108,499..?

[citylightva]

I'll try to 'tug' this thread back in line a little...

When are we going to get back to (real) TransAm racing? Old school style. IMO, that was the best; that and the Saturday/Sunday SCCA stuff they did out at the old Greater Southwest Airport or Green Valley's road course for example.

The timing is perfect... We have the right mix of (retro) american iron muscle.. Plus, the NASCAR stuff just bores the hell outta me (jellybean cars). Indy & Cart, too much politic's, too much money and way too much in the way of electronics.. Give me back TransAm.. (Actually, I'd take the old unlimited CanAmCars/series, but that ain't gonna happen either!). Let the drivers (really) be the deciding factor...not the budget!

Australian V8 Supercars Tom.!!! I love watching those...

[citylightva]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Mustang-BOSS-302-LS-2012-MUSTANG-BOSS-302-LAGUNA-SECA-BLACK-444HP-VIN-0021-/230604212131?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item35b11507a3#ht_10898wt_1165

And Chuck's color

[TomBoy]

I would just love to ask someone in a serious manner how they came up with $108,499..?

List Price * 2????

Australian V8 Supercars Tom.!!! I love watching those...

Yea.. I have watched them a time or two.. Just hard for me to root for a "Holden"!

[citylightva]

List Price * 2????

Yea.. I have watched them a time or two.. Just hard for me to root for a "Holden"!

I thought that for a second, but list is $47,999 hahaha...Hence my curiosity...:D

Just pretend it's still a Ford and a Pontiac :p haha

[TomBoy]

ok, bad math... Let's try this formula instead (I suck at math actually!)...

E-bay price is 108,499.00 / 2 = 54,249.50. List = 47,499.00, so diff = 6,750.50; or double + a $13,501 Dealer (aka STEALER) premium... (or, simple math, a 61,000) premium! (or 128.5% or so tacked on, not including TT&L on the bump too...) Can hear the F&I guy at the dealer; Joe, get the KY ready.. We got us a live one...

[citylightva]

Hahaha...a nice even number...In semi-fairness I guess these are all the first run batch of 50 so they would seem to be the most collectable ones...Shame they'll probably never see a track at speed...

[GTCole]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Ford-Mustang-BOSS-302-LS-2012-MUSTANG-BOSS-302-LAGUNA-SECA-BLACK-444HP-VIN-0021-/230604212131?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item35b11507a3#ht_10898wt_1165

And Chuck's color

Damn car looks good. Real good.

[citylightva]

Damn car looks good. Real good.

I know it right...ssooo tempting...Read there are supposed to be 750 Laguna Seca's so maybe after this first 50 batch they can be had for somewhere near MSRP...

[GTCole]

I know it right...ssooo tempting...Read there are supposed to be 750 Laguna Seca's so maybe after this first 50 batch they can be had for somewhere near MSRP...

Really? I heard 500.
One I was offered is still available, but at $5k over.

[Brett]

Really? I heard 500.
One I was offered is still available, but at $5k over.

With some dealers offering at $5k over ... how do these people expect to get over $50k over?

[citylightva]

With some dealers offering at $5k over ... how do these people expect to get over $50k over?

I am assuming that since the first 50 cars are VIN sequential they think they hold a higher collector value..?? I think it's retarded. It seems like it's going to end up like the Cobra R where only half of them ever saw a racetrack :thumpdown:

[OKcruising]

I hope those new Laguna Seca's can actually shift... :(

http://jalopnik.com/#!5792482/faulty-chinese+built-transmissions-plague-new-ford-mustang

[trentor]

I'm "harassing" a Ford rep and trying to get a Laguna Seca press car out for one of our Saturday morning meets. If they decide to bring it out, it will be late May or later, as they won't put miles on the car until after the Texas Auto Writers Assoc. Spring Challenge event in early May. Cross your fingers.

[Qship5]

Bankston Ford in Frisco has one in inventory and it looks like it has the Laguna Seca package.

[citylightva]

Sam Pack has 2 in their inventory...1-black and 1-silver...What is with all the $58K GT500's...Took a double take at that price...Hmmm well fordvehicles.com said they did, but they don't list them on their site...Guess they had one on 3/21

http://www.spford.com/

[citylightva]

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=220776587778

I'm really digging the Kona Blue and white...and considering a Laguna Seca isn't perfect out of the box, perhaps a regular Boss would be more fun for $15K less. 10 of that would probably go back into the car anyways :)

[Mike CLK Black]

....
I'm really digging the Kona Blue and white...and considering a Laguna Seca isn't perfect out of the box, .....

Okay, I'll bite.
What's wrong with it?

I've been shocked at the performance numbers for Detroit (or Bowling Green) metal. (Shocked I tell ya :thumbsup2:)

[citylightva]

Nothing really. It is super impressive out of the box, but since I would track it there's a couple things. The brakes would get tossed for Wilwood, different springs to drop it some, and even though I love the LS wheels I'd look at getting some custom made to fit a little wider rubber and lose weight. I'd probably do a couple engine bolt-ons like long tubes, but not much. I'm sure I'd be happy for a while stock, but the itch always comes. Since the LS diff comes with the Recaro package on a regular Boss there's not much difference between them (LS looks better/meaner to me, but you can buy all those pieces too) besides damping and spring rates, bracing, and that whole back seat thing. 100% agree with you on the recent Ford products.!!

[Mike CLK Black]

Nothing really. It is super impressive out of the box, but since I would track it there's a couple things. The brakes would get tossed for Wilwood, different springs to drop it some,......

Okay, you're just a hardcore modaholic! :adore:

Understanding that this (http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna_seca.html) is a sample of 1, the fact that the 997 GT3, Turbo, Turbo S, Z06 and GT-R rank behind the LS at this track tells me it's enough car for me in stock trim.
Maybe experience other tracks will re-order that list, they might have brought a ringer for the test. No one ever does that ....

[Brett]

Okay, you're just a hardcore modaholic! :adore:

Understanding that this (http://www.fastestlaps.com/tracks/laguna_seca.html) is a sample of 1, the fact that the 997 GT3, Turbo, Turbo S, Z06 and GT-R rank behind the LS at this track tells me it's enough car for me in stock trim.
Maybe experience other tracks will re-order that list, they might have brought a ringer for the test. No one ever does that ....

Those cars are collectively on PS2s and even run-flats.

The Laguna Seca comes on R-Compound tires.


Of course it is going to post competitive lap times as compared to cars meant for daily driving.

[Mike CLK Black]

Those cars are collectively on PS2s and even run-flats.

The Laguna Seca comes on R-Compound tires.

Of course it is going to post competitive lap times as compared to cars meant for daily driving.

The 7GT3 and the 302 LS come equipped with the same R compound Pirelli Corsa's. I've been through a few sets of them and they don't seem to be the stickiest R's out there. As for the others, given the same rubber, let's say they beat the LS by a second or three.

My bottom line is that a stock Mustang performing at that level is shocking.

[citylightva]

The 7GT3 and the 302 LS come equipped with the same R compound Pirelli Corsa's. I've been through a few sets of them and they don't seem to be the stickiest R's out there. As for the others, given the same rubber, let's say they beat the LS by a second or three.

My bottom line is that a stock Mustang performing at that level is shocking.

They are amazing numbers for a Stang. The one thing I've heard consistently in tests is that the brakes fade really quick. Plus compare MSRP on all these cars and it's even more impressive they are throwing out that performance at great prices (If you could touch MSRP)

[Brett]

Mleh...

[RacerCaddy]

Sat May 2nd at Eagles Canyon Raceway going to have an open track event
I'll be there with my V

And a 2012 Mustang Boss (non-LS) will be running too, not mine :-(

Should be fun to see this track car at a track..

[trentor]

If anyone is interested in checking out the Laguna Seca, one will likely be at Cars & Coffee this Saturday. A couple friends and I will be bringing the new 5.0, GT500, and Boss 302. I believe a Ford rep will be coming with us in an LS.

[citylightva]

If anyone is interested in checking out the Laguna Seca, one will likely be at Cars & Coffee this Saturday. A couple friends and I will be bringing the new 5.0, GT500, and Boss 302. I believe a Ford rep will be coming with us in an LS.

I'm much more interested in every Ford dealer not being an f***in asshole about skyrocketing their price $20K over MSRP...They can keep their wannabe $70K Mustangs all day for all I care anymore...

[trentor]

Yeah, Ford really should reign in those greedy dealers. It gives Ford, as a whole, a bit of a bad image they're trying desperately to shake.

[bioderek]

If anyone is interested in checking out the Laguna Seca, one will likely be at Cars & Coffee this Saturday. A couple friends and I will be bringing the new 5.0, GT500, and Boss 302. I believe a Ford rep will be coming with us in an LS.

I'll be there in mine...

[citylightva]

Yeah, Ford really should reign in those greedy dealers. It gives Ford, as a whole, a bit of a bad image they're trying desperately to shake.

The best part is that on their Ebay listings they still can't get the descriptions right...There's a black LS listed as Black on Black leather :questionmark: Guess I'll just wait until they figure out that these won't sell for $20K over, and the regular Boss won't go for over MSRP except for a couple fools...

[citylightva]

The guy at Grapevine Ford told me about this...http://mustangsdaily.com/blog/2011/04/19/how-one-lucky-mustang-enthusiast-bought-boss-302-0001/ Funny stuff...

[trentor]

The guy at Grapevine Ford told me about this...http://mustangsdaily.com/blog/2011/04/19/how-one-lucky-mustang-enthusiast-bought-boss-302-0001/ Funny stuff...The latest on that is he decided to sell it to a collector if he could get close to 100k for it, so he could pay off the loan and buy another one as a daily driver.

I believe he got what he wanted, because he sold it locally.

Here's the eBay listing he had going before it sold. I'd almost put money on that Sam Pack bought the car from him.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2012-Boss-302-0001-Competition-Orange-w-Recaro-torsen-/160581892236?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item25636d388c#ht_632wt_1167

[UBR32]

Here you go, only $108k on eBay... LOL

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2012-BOSS-302-LEGUNA-SECA-33-0F-750-/180647272684?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2a0f6aa0ec#ht_16075wt_1165

ROFL... $108K for a $48K car.. that is quite a premium. :laugh:

[fenderltd]

The prices and all this BS would make me NOT want to own one of these

[citylightva]

You just have to go to a dealer, find a manager, and say you want the regular Boss 302 at no more than MSRP. I haven't had one say no yet. Laguna Seca is a totally different story, but dumb on Ford to make so few of them...

[Zinia]

You just have to go to a dealer, find a manager, and say you want the regular Boss 302 at no more than MSRP. I haven't had one say no yet.

So then what? Did you buy one or just wanted to see what they would say? :dontknow:

[citylightva]

There's a Kona Blue going to Grapevine at the end of the summer...QUITE possible...but yeah I was actually curious what they would say :)

Though if a Rossion Q1 pops up for a good price again before then...That's at the top of my list...

[TomBoy]

ROFL... $108K for a $48K car.. that is quite a premium. :laugh:


Wow... P. T. Barnum was right. There's one born every minute! (A sucker that is!)

[luxxyy]

great cars!!!i like :))))

[Fubar]

Can't believe I missed this thread? Chuck... Chucky-Chuck... Chuckster, come over here bud, let me give you a big man hug.

Okay, now call Shelby Smith to find one.
http://www.eliteautosllc.com/

or call Carroll Shelby to make one. (psst, they will treat you better than das Furher if you tell Shelby how much you have spent on track cars) *snicker*
http://www.shelbyamerican.com/

[citylightva]

I usually don't like nice cars blacked out, but that R8 V10 looks nasty....

[Fubar]

I usually don't like nice cars blacked out, but that R8 V10 looks nasty....

Agreed. I usually like a little personality painted on my cars too (ie: color) but that R8 does look fetching. :FIREdevil[1]:

[T.J.]

Agreed. I usually like a little personality painted on my cars too (ie: color) but that R8 does look fetching. :FIREdevil[1]:

I think the touches of red give it some character too.

[RacerCaddy]

My friend, Corey White (hi-performance sales @ Five Star Ford @ Plano) told me his going to bring in a red 2011 Mustang Roush 5XR

Corey E. White
ROUSH/SVT Specialist
Five Star Ford of Plano
4400 Plano Parkway
Plano, TX 75093
214.489.5333 Cell
972.985.3600 Office
corey_white34@yahoo.com

[RacerCaddy]

My friend, Corey White (hi-performance sales @ Five Star Ford @ Plano) told me his going to bring in a red 2011 Mustang Roush 5XR

Corey E. White
ROUSH/SVT Specialist
Five Star Ford of Plano
4400 Plano Parkway
Plano, TX 75093
214.489.5333 Cell
972.985.3600 Office
corey_white34@yahoo.com

5XR has sold...

[RacerCaddy]

My friend, Corey White (hi-performance sales @ Five Star Ford @ Plano) told me me this AM:

"I just received the 3rd of 5 allocations for the all new 2012 Boss 302 Mustang! This Competition Orange and Black Boss 302 has all factory options including the car cover and Recaro Racing seats. Please give me a call on my cell or reply to this email to set an appointment."


2012 Ford Mustang Boss 302

Exterior Color: Competition Orange
Interior Color: Black
Seating: Recaro Racing Seats w/ "Boss 302" logo- Black
Black C Stripes
Black Wheel w/ Chrome Lip
TRACK KEY!!!


Corey E. White
ROUSH/SVT Specialist
Five Star Ford of Plano
4400 Plano Parkway
Plano, TX 75093
214.489.5333 Cell
972.985.3600 Office
corey_white34@yahoo.com

[Brett]

Thanks for updating that ... hopefully someone on here will pick one up and take it to the track and we can see what it's really all about. :driver:

[RacerCaddy]

there is video from last ECR track day a 2012 Boss on the track
....first timer @ ECR
He says he WANTS to go back again on July 16th

I've asked Corey several times, if I can do a test drive of 2012 Boss @ ECR track,
he said no....lol.........

[Brett]

there is video from last ECR track day a 2012 Boss on the track
....first timer @ ECR
He says he WANTS to go back again on July 16th

I've asked Corey several times, if I can do a test drive of 2012 Boss @ ECR track,
he said no....lol.........

That party pooper.

Let's all take him out drinking. By the time he wakes up we can get his keys, get the car, lap it, have it back, and be back. When he asks why the tires are bald and the car reeks of burning brake we can shrug and just say "Ford, man..."

[MrGT5oh]

My friend, Corey White (hi-performance sales @ Five Star Ford @ Plano) told me me this AM:

"I just received the 3rd of 5 allocations for the all new 2012 Boss 302 Mustang! This Competition Orange and Black Boss 302 has all factory options including the car cover and Recaro Racing seats. Please give me a call on my cell or reply to this email to set an appointment."


2012 Ford Mustang Boss 302

Exterior Color: Competition Orange
Interior Color: Black
Seating: Recaro Racing Seats w/ "Boss 302" logo- Black
Black C Stripes
Black Wheel w/ Chrome Lip
TRACK KEY!!!


Corey E. White
ROUSH/SVT Specialist
Five Star Ford of Plano
4400 Plano Parkway
Plano, TX 75093
214.489.5333 Cell
972.985.3600 Office
corey_white34@yahoo.com

Five Star has one Street BOSS coming in. It is Tri-Blaze Yellow with a build date of 08-01-11, so it should deliver week of 08/22/11. He told me that he would sell it to me for 3k over MSRP. Not a bad price. Most street BOSSES are selling for 3k - 7k. Unfortunately Five Star does not have any more LS allocations available. I could tell you where every LS is in the DFW area and how much over they are asking, and so far 7k over is the lowest confirmed price. But if you are looking for a street BOSS, I do know where a Tri-Blaze and a Kona Blue is selling for under invoice.

If anyone is looking for a LS and you can get it at 5k to 7k over MSRP....I would jump on it, or keep waiting until the 2013 start hitting the showrooms and hope that they will lower the price (IMO, not likely). They know that they have a limited run car (only 750 units this year *note: actually 752 units for 2012 to replace the 2 that were damaged while intransit to Houston) and 750 next year). Remember the 2000 Cobra R? I seem to remember hearing the cheapest one was 20k over MSRP. And yes I know it's not comparing apples to apples, but the point is that they are both limited editions.

If you are looking for a BOSS and willing to pay over MSRP, I can steer you in the right direction.